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What can we do about Railguns and Beams?
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-08-06 20:19:54 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Pilna Vcelka wrote:
Confirming railguns are in bad shape and need some sweet, sweet lovin.

I mean, come on, just look at commonly used fleet set-ups or tournament fleets, how many railboats do you see?


Yeah... rails suck and need a buff... vindi could use some love too. I want 100km targeting range and 10% more dps.... and another mid slot to web ever moar.



Because Gallente is all about SERPENTIS Vindicators/Vigilants....of course.

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-08-06 20:24:45 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Rails are the weapon by which TEST's conquest of Delve, Querious and Period Basis was wrought, you know.

Bullcrap pure overwhelmong numbers was how Delve, Querious and Period Basis was brought down.

I think weak leadership on SoCo's part had more to do with it.

Not at all, it was simply that SoCo didn't want to put the Supers on the table because they would be blobbed out by the massive amount of enemy supers.

Now that Test doesn't have half of null sec behind them, they are starting to lose.

Oh dear, they're starting to lose?



Does that means stupid with T3's asking all the fleet to kill "zdat Keres!!!" are goint to be shot again???
Ho god, this is about to become funny once again !

brb
Pankas Carter
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-08-06 20:26:36 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Extend maximum range. Remove on-grid probing.


i can hit over 550km not max damage with railguns i think its more to pratice with those railguns but agree when some one is good in moving there ships well it can be hard to hit them. But range is fine


You might try restating that with:
1. Punctuation
2. Proper sentence structure
3. Proper word choice

As it is I only have a vague understanding of what you might be trying to say. The only reason I can get that far is because of your last 4 words...

Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#64 - 2012-08-06 20:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
I've actually started a discussion on that a while back in ships and modules, wondering if under current mechanics, the higher fitting requirements of long range turrets are still justified.

Personally, the discussion led me to believe that the overall disadvantages of worse tracking and overall DPS were enough of a tradeoff in theirselves, but that's just an opinion.

Fixing on grid probing wont solve the issue, as I never had my prober with the fleet anyway when flying one, so I was off-grid anyway.

On a side note, T2 Tachyons are actually the most underwhelming weapon system as they're a Tier above any other large T2 turret in the game, but were 'balanced' (fubared) so hard, nobody notices that small detail. When comparing 1400's etc.. to Tachs, you're doing the wrong comparison as the appropriate Amarr Tier would be Megabeams.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#65 - 2012-08-06 22:20:52 UTC
Small rails are just fine, and larges are ok for sniping, but not much else.

Medium rails are where the massive fail appears

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#66 - 2012-08-06 22:31:21 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Does that means stupid with T3's asking all the fleet to kill "zdat Keres!!!" are goint to be shot again???
Ho god, this is about to become funny once again !

Need leaked comms.

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Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-08-06 22:34:20 UTC
Before range modules or bonuses but with all V skills the following turrets have these ranges with t1 short range ammo:
Tachyon beam: 33+25
425mm Railgun: 36+30
1400mm Artillery: 30+44

I mean seriously, make the range difference between them a real thing so they get different strengths.
Marzuq
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#68 - 2012-08-06 23:07:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Marzuq
Artillery has massive volley damage and range over autocannons.



What do Beams and Railguns have over their short range weapons besides range?

I believe the lower dps, worst tracking, greater capacitor use, and smaller weapon ammo capacity is enough justification for the longer range weapon systems.

Higher fitting requirements for long range guns should be reduced to the near equal of the shorter range weapons.

Long range weapons sacrifices too much to be long range. Long range weapon systems have several weaknesses to justify the longer range, adding higher fitting costs destroys that balance.
Zeomebuch Nova
Undrinkable Grog Inc.
#69 - 2012-08-06 23:10:16 UTC
winmatar bias has been strong subcap-wise for the last few years. Still hoping to see devs delivering for all races.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#70 - 2012-08-06 23:26:13 UTC
Zeomebuch Nova wrote:
winmatar bias has been strong subcap-wise for the last few years. Still hoping to see devs delivering for all races.

winmatar capitals/supercapitals though, heh Sad

(Best to have alts for your cap/supercap so it wouldn't matter much, of course.)

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#71 - 2012-08-06 23:28:19 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Rails are the weapon by which TEST's conquest of Delve, Querious and Period Basis was wrought, you know.


Bullcrap pure overwhelmong numbers was how Delve, Querious and Period Basis was brought down.

I think weak leadership on SoCo's part had more to do with it.


Not at all, it was simply that SoCo didn't want to put the Supers on the table because they would be blobbed out by the massive amount of enemy supers.

Now that Test doesn't have half of null sec behind them, they are starting to lose.


I loled.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#72 - 2012-08-06 23:31:35 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Not at all, it was simply that SoCo didn't want to put the Supers on the table because they would be blobbed out by the massive amount of enemy supers.

Now that Test doesn't have half of null sec behind them, they are starting to lose.

I loled.

Well if you can keep on "losing" until we're done up here ...


Yeah, I know we're not going to get back down there unless it's all burned away, but one can always hope to one day put a point and web, or ECM, on the famous Makalu of T3-losing fame.

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Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#73 - 2012-08-06 23:47:44 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Not at all, it was simply that SoCo didn't want to put the Supers on the table because they would be blobbed out by the massive amount of enemy supers.

Now that Test doesn't have half of null sec behind them, they are starting to lose.

I loled.

Well if you can keep on "losing" until we're done up here ...


Yeah, I know we're not going to get back down there unless it's all burned away, but one can always hope to one day put a point and web, or ECM, on the famous Makalu of T3-losing fame.


Sure

Thats whats up
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#74 - 2012-08-07 00:00:33 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Well if you can keep on "losing" until we're done up here ...


Yeah, I know we're not going to get back down there unless it's all burned away, but one can always hope to one day put a point and web, or ECM, on the famous Makalu of T3-losing fame.

Sure

Thats whats up

Oh boy oh boy.

Don't go too fast there -A-, you might burn out on the structures, heh heh.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#75 - 2012-08-07 00:16:12 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Not at all, it was simply that SoCo didn't want to put the Supers on the table because they would be blobbed out by the massive amount of enemy supers.

Now that Test doesn't have half of null sec behind them, they are starting to lose.

I loled.

Well if you can keep on "losing" until we're done up here ...
javascript:insertsmiley('Roll','/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png')

Yeah, I know we're not going to get back down there unless it's all burned away, but one can always hope to one day put a point and web, or ECM, on the famous Makalu of T3-losing fame.


Sure

Thats whats up


That's so cute, he thinks finally winning a battle is a turn of the tide. Lol

Need I remind you how many battles -A- has lost?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#76 - 2012-08-07 00:24:38 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Sure

Thats whats up

That's so cute, he thinks finally winning a battle is a turn of the tide. Lol

Need I remind you how many battles -A- has lost?

So, no happy fun time in the south?

That, uh, tech nerf will break our collective backs, right? Then the renter-based income streams will allow them to steamroll us.

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jornab
Deadspace Knights
#77 - 2012-08-07 00:59:08 UTC  |  Edited by: jornab
OK here is my solution to all the problems with eve weapons

BEAMS:
  • Beams now get a role bonus of 125%-150% aginst shields

    • RAILS:
  • Rails now get a role bonus of 125%-150% aginst armor


    • BLASTERS:
  • equal the same range as autocannons


    • MISSLES:
  • No Change


    • PROJECTILES:
  • No Change



    • No thank you neccesary ccp, your welcome!Big smile
    Akirei Scytale
    Okami Syndicate
    #78 - 2012-08-07 01:06:11 UTC
    ^ bad troll is bad
    Marzuq
    Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
    #79 - 2012-08-07 06:42:45 UTC
    I believe the common consensus is that medium railguns are terrible and medium beams are meh at best.

    Beams and Railguns are a pain to fit on medium class ships where powergrid scarcity is felt the most.

    Beams and Railguns are rather pointless to use within usual warp disruptor range(24km) and are even more pointless when trying engage a bit beyond that range where a fast ship can burn toward you and catch you within a few seconds, all for bad tracking and laughable dps.
    Irya Boone
    The Scope
    #80 - 2012-08-07 09:44:29 UTC
    just increase the damage output that simple.
    and increase the velocity of ships using them

    CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

    you shall all bow and pray BoB