Market Discussions

Anyone cycling gravimetric sites in nullsec has to mine everything, including the mercoxit, and enough people doing this makes supplying all necessary morphite laughably easy.

In the CSM minutes they said that null mining is way way up, specifically highsec was up, lowsec was way up, and null was way way up if thats any indication of the increase in mining, though real values were not given.

As Snake pies stated the null minerals are going to continue to go quite low. With the mining barge changes players will now be able to mine in much cheaper ships with a very descent yield. Basically people will be able to mine 50M isk / hour at current prices in a ship that costs/fits at the price range of about 20M. Basically as long as you don't get your ship destroyed every 1/2 hour you'll make a profit.

not all mineral prices, goon.

Minerals prices are now much more free form than they used to be in the past.
This means people will overmine till prices get low enough that they stop considering it worth doing.

Also, the more the AFK it can be done, the lower that price below which they stop considering it worth doing goes.

Between the new ships and the new generations of bots, prices could really keep dropping till winter.

The drone regions were a sort of "fixed burden" weighing mostly on null sec.
But null sec regions are subject to the same economy rules that govern the whole EvE.

If they:

- become safer than hi sec (and your perma-Hulkageddon helped a lot at that), regardless of the fact it's players who made them safer than hi sec and not NPCs.

- have "spammable" sov mining sites that furthermore require tangible farming to be upgraded.

then a logical consequence is to see high ends tank to values comparable to hi sec mineral values / true rarity + monetized risk value. True rarity would be the statistical presence of the high end ores vs low ends. In the past that used to be powers of 2, now it's the real "rarity" of the high ends.
I.e. if by absurd you had two twin miners, one mining Tritanium and the second mining Megacyte and due to the factors above 1 Megacyte unity was 0.0 sec safely mined every 100 Tritanium units, Megacyte would only be worth 650 or so ISK + perceived monetized risk value. With risk value going down and being farmable in great quantities, high ends really tank hard and fast.
No drone regions or elsewhere nerfs will help with this. Finally, WH mining is also a factor.

every one is holding their breath peaking at the prices every day, a few of us want to manipulate it ( search for a diamond in a sleeping Lions mouth)

I predict Manipulation will cause enough instability to jitter up even the most hearty of merchants out there, otherwise, the trajectory is aiming for a very very very slow increasing value and then once the players come flocking back em mass, a good steady drop.

jesus christ the ellipses is not supposed to be used so frequently

it is not like the tub of mayonnaise you have on your nightstand in your bedroom

Funny you say this. I'm currently contemplating the following mining scenario.

Setup 4-5 mackinaws, in a grav site, afk mining. (tanking the rats).
Rorqual boosting in a pos.

Ratting on a couple of other accounts in the system.

Dual ratting Tengus will earn me 100mill/hour, + the 4-5 afk mackinaws will out strip what I can do with 7 miners.

Well, had CCP not removed the drone alloys there wouldn't have been a massive shortage across the board (low ends especially) that drastically reduced demand, so high ends would still be about where they were and low ends would still be low, outside of the normal summertime variation. Hulkageddon would have been barely noticed, as the combined supply of refined meta 0 minerals and drone alloy minerals would have continued to drown out mined supply in empire. Thus, nothing would have changed.

So really, if you want to drag politics into it, the lesson here is that harsh austerity is a bad, bad thing.

I just noticed the name on your character, dunno man, sounds manipulative.