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Impairor needs +5m³ cargohold

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C DeLeon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-08-04 13:36:02 UTC
With the new stats all rookie ships can light a cyno with cynosural field theory level 4 except the impairor. To light a cyno the character needs the level 5 skill or an expanded cargohold.

We are talking about a daily routine game mechanic and a base ship. It feels more like a racial disadvantage than a balance issue.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-08-04 19:30:01 UTC
should be changed so only role ships can deploy cynos

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Andrasta Shor
Novus Ordo Seclorum.
#3 - 2012-08-04 20:35:35 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
hurr i want my cyno frigate kills to be worth more
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#4 - 2012-08-05 03:09:17 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
should be changed so only role ships can deploy cynos


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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-08-05 03:11:30 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
Andrasta Shor wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
hurr i want my cyno frigate kills to be worth more



Who said it can't be a frigate vessel.

And don't talk you want to drop cynos with no risk by using noob frigates.

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Dr Offensive
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-08-05 09:21:15 UTC
I agree with the OP, the solution is obvious, make all the stats for the rookie ships the same, give them all the same ship model and then rename them so they are all called Impairor.

There should be ABSOLUTELY NO VARIATION between the racial versions of any given ship class and tier EVAR!
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#7 - 2012-08-05 13:23:39 UTC
Dr Offensive wrote:
I agree with the OP, the solution is obvious, make all the stats for the rookie ships the same, give them all the same ship model and then rename them so they are all called Impairor.

There should be ABSOLUTELY NO VARIATION between the racial versions of any given ship class and tier EVAR!


Radical!!.. no no no... remove all ships period... EVE: Pod Wars!!! *In a cluster far far away... * Blink
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-08-05 15:11:35 UTC
Just train cyno 5.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-08-05 16:23:45 UTC
Dr Offensive wrote:
I agree with the OP, the solution is obvious, make all the stats for the rookie ships the same, give them all the same ship model and then rename them so they are all called Impairor.

There should be ABSOLUTELY NO VARIATION between the racial versions of any given ship class and tier EVAR!


why? there are still massive differences in weaponry.. both ewar and direct damage. shouldn't their ships reflect this difference.. though I'm thinking cynos are not a racially specific "weapon" and should work for all or none.

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C DeLeon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-08-05 22:06:42 UTC  |  Edited by: C DeLeon
I don't think that deciding the race should matter when someone is planning to create a specialized character (cyno alt in this case). Either remove the capability of the rookie ships to light a cyno or make them to do it with the same resources. Or let us decide which rookie ship want we to use in general.

Oh and +5m³ cargo could completely kill the diversity in the game and if CCP takes my suggestion then Eve will die...
I wouldn't think that an idea like that could upset any people :D Give me a break!
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#11 - 2012-08-06 04:05:16 UTC
can't you buy rookie frigs now anyway?

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#12 - 2012-08-06 14:01:23 UTC
C DeLeon wrote:
I don't think that deciding the race should matter when someone is planning to create a specialized character


The whole concept of creating a specialized character dictates you choose carefully. Otherwise it's just a generalized character.

Katrina Oniseki
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-08-06 16:57:38 UTC
Posting to improve visibility of this. I'm not sure how important it is to CCP that newbie ships be able to light cynos, but it is awfully inconvenient for Amarr players.

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HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-08-06 17:18:10 UTC
clearly this is the smoking gun we need to get everyone in EVE mad again

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C DeLeon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-08-06 18:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: C DeLeon
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
The whole concept of creating a specialized character dictates you choose carefully. Otherwise it's just a generalized character.


Right now the only difference what picking a race makes is the places where you can install a medical clone from the distance. But it doesn't matter because you can install medical clones at corp hangars too. And of course roleplaying and visual differences.

I understand that 5m³ cargo feels unnecessarily little problem but technically it removes the Amarr race as a logical and potential choice when someone is planning to create a cyno alt.

With "cynosural field theory 4" the character is way under the minimum 900k skill points so they don't have to use medical services after being podded. With "cynosural field theory 5" the character will have at least 1million SP. Of course there is the plan B by using expanded cargohold but in low and null sec the market is not necessarily flooded with expanded cargohold.

That -5m³ cargohold is a little but clear disadvantage for the Amarr race :)
If the commenting players are really that concerned about diversity then give +5m³ cargohold to all of the rookie ships. That could keep the small differences and make the amarr equal in lighting a cyno with a rookie ship.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-08-06 19:50:31 UTC
Querns wrote:
Posting to improve visibility of this. I'm not sure how important it is to CCP that newbie ships be able to light cynos, but it is awfully inconvenient for Amarr players.


why? they take no skill points to fly. whats inconvenient about it? entitled much

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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#17 - 2012-08-06 20:34:51 UTC
The RvB experience is rife with situations in which pilots have had to light cynos, including such space battles as
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#18 - 2012-08-07 06:20:02 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
Querns wrote:
Posting to improve visibility of this. I'm not sure how important it is to CCP that newbie ships be able to light cynos, but it is awfully inconvenient for Amarr players.


why? they take no skill points to fly. whats inconvenient about it? entitled much


*chuckle* Well, they ARE free when you get ganked. So 3 out of 4 races currently seem to have free cyno ships, no?

I still think it should be a role only item. Newbie ships should not be able to light those up. Blink

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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#19 - 2012-08-07 09:06:15 UTC
Noobships shold never be allowed to fit a cyno...
Kallie Rae
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-08-07 10:51:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kallie Rae
Is this the case? If so i also vote for giving the imparior the same cargo size as the other noobships , or at least enough so they are all viable for placing cynos.

I've trained numerous of cyno pilots, and been using the noobships as my choice for cyno ships for quite some time now, and then suddenly you won't be able to place cynos with the amarr noobship? That indeed feels like the amarr gets disadvantage over the other races.
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