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Hello All,

Well i can already sense the posts that may come, but maybe there will be some positive ones.
Living in 0.0 yes can be a little risky etc, but there are somethings in eve that are not right, like being able to push one button and you can litterly lose alot of assets, even for some years and years of work. Yes just one click and thats it.

What I am taking about is - kick members/corps and/or disbanding alliances. If a corp gets kicked from a 0.0 sov alliance that owns stations their assets are locked there forever, could be loads and loads of ships for lots of different members. yes there may have bene a legit reason they got kicked, but there is also people who lick to just kick corps for no reason. and all this takes is one director to click one button. Really? Again when bob got disbanded took only one person to do that, and years of work down the drain. is this really right?

Once kicked you are locked out of any stations etc to get your assets. Yes you could try get your assets out by paying an insider, but in all honesty you are probably going to get scammed or blown up in the process rather than finding an honest person. Should many people lose some much with such an easy action? I dont believe so.

No I am not saying I have the answer to this, but surely this needs to be looked at. I know some people may also state keep your assets in NPC stations. Yes of course do that, but there are also needed in main bases too.

be interested to get your thoughts, even though i probably know what to expect.hopefully we can get some adult answers.

AFAIK, Black Frog is only in the initial phase of negotiating with sovholders for station access...

There should be like a 10, 20, or 30 day period that you could remove your stuff after being notified of the expulsion.

I could be wrong on some points, but this is my understanding:

There are only two ways you lose access to goods in a station:

1.) If you have items in a Corp hangar, and the corp's office is "unrented", all Corp Hangar items goes into impound. Once impounded, only directors can access it. To access it, the director must pay to release the items, and only has the option to do so when they have permission to rent an office. In short, if a station's controlling corp denies your corp rental privileges, you cannot access impounded items. However, since the owners can't actually "unrent" your office, you should always have a window to get your stuff out of corp hangar before you lose access to it. Note: A director of your corp could "unrent" your office, thereby instantly creating inaccessible items, so chose our directors carefully!!

2.) The station controlling corp can deny docking rights to a station. This does NOT mean you lose your items. You can still remotely contract them and remotely sell them on the market. If you are in the station, you can also load up your valuables and try to sneak them out. Yes, your access to the station is severely limited, as once you undock you cannot redock. Note: if you have a lot of items in a station, it's always good to leave a jump clone there, as you can always JC back into station for one last load of items.

As to the op. There are two "1-click" methods to lose your outpost items instantly:
A.) You have a spy director that unrents your corp office in an outpost where you can't re-rent the times.
B.) Your docking rights to a station are revoked (like perhaps you get kicked from a corp, or unblued).


Is it really unreasonable that you lose access to your stuff? It sucks, but most of the time you have forewarning. With the exception of impounded items, you also have the ability to recuperate some of your losses (firesales, courier contracts, etc). Losing assets drives wonderful evacuation events, and reclaiming inaccessible assets is a great driver for conflict (i.e. you're more likely to help shift the tides, and reclaim the station). I don't really see why this should go away.

In my opinion, impounded items could use a re-work, but I don't see any reason to give access to regular player hangar items made inaccessible by an Outpost's controlling corp. As for impounded items, I'd like them to become open to theft by the station's controlling corp, perhaps after some impound time period.

You don't lose your stuff, you are free to list the items on the market or contract systems. You also have the option to put a spy alt into a corporation with access to that station or even bribe an existing member with the same access.

EDIT: Last time I was in the situation where I lost access to an outpost; I had my medical clone set to that station so I extracted several assets by cloning myself back into the station that I had no docking rights to. This was a great laugh trying to shift stuff under the enemies noses.

"Again when bob got disbanded took only one person to do that, and years of work down the drain. is this really right?"

I'd say it's perfectly acceptable in Eve. If there wasn't the risk of loss there would be little meaning to our efforts.