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Are any assault frigates good for PvE?
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Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
#1 - 2012-08-06 15:43:44 UTC
As a mainly PvE player (missions, complexes, anomalies, WHs) I'm wondering if it's worth training up Assault ships skill.

Are any of the AFs any good for PvE? Or are there just better ship choices in all cases?

Cheers
Nicaragua
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-08-06 15:47:20 UTC
Chimpy B wrote:
As a mainly PvE player (missions, complexes, anomalies, WHs) I'm wondering if it's worth training up Assault ships skill.

Are any of the AFs any good for PvE? Or are there just better ship choices in all cases?

Cheers



ishkur is good but it depends on what level of missions, complexes, anomalies, WHs you are planning on doing.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-08-06 15:55:50 UTC
ishkur and jaguar are nice for hisec exploration. i heard you can also run C1 anomalies in an assault frig.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
#4 - 2012-08-06 16:28:23 UTC
I guess I'm thinking of 2/10 complexes, L2 missions and C1&2 WHs.

I'm mostly in Amarr and Caldari space, so it's Sanshas and Gurista rats.
Mastin Dragonfly
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-08-06 16:52:00 UTC
They can do lvl 2 missions easily.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#6 - 2012-08-06 16:55:48 UTC
I liked the Ishkur because drones don't take ammo and can change damage types. I have it on good authority that the Retribution is pretty amazing too.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
#7 - 2012-08-06 17:02:21 UTC
I guess what I'm getting at, is whether they would outperform a T1 cruiser...
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2012-08-06 17:07:33 UTC
Chimpy B wrote:
I guess what I'm getting at, is whether they would outperform a T1 cruiser...


My guess is that if you're asking this, the answer is no. You should train cruisers and then battlecruisers and then T3s or battleships. The real answer is only sometimes. But that sometimes is pretty special. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
#9 - 2012-08-06 18:18:15 UTC
I have battleships and battlecruisers and so on which I use for L4 and L3 missions... I'm thinking of cases where ships are restricted i.e. L2 missions and some complexes.

Thinking about it, L2 missions and 2/10 complexes aren't really worth the time anyway, so it's a moot point :P
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#10 - 2012-08-06 20:39:38 UTC
Don't think just about where ships are literally restricted, but instead about where ships are figuratively restricted. Would you be willing to risk a battleship in a hostile low sec mission hub? What about an AF? And what if the mission was blitzable and all you had to do was kill a couple of frigs?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#11 - 2012-08-06 20:54:40 UTC
Chimpy B wrote:
I have battleships and battlecruisers and so on which I use for L4 and L3 missions... I'm thinking of cases where ships are restricted i.e. L2 missions and some complexes.

Thinking about it, L2 missions and 2/10 complexes aren't really worth the time anyway, so it's a moot point :P

If you're flying assault frigs in missions, you're doing this because it's fun. Not for efficiency.

Mara can really only fly the Malediction, the Vengeance and the Amarr dessies. Rockets ftw. Vengeance is just pure fun and doing missions in the Heretic is... uhmm... good for some adrenaline Lol.

Thinking about it, doing missions in the Inquisitor was also good for adrenaline, back when skills were rather low. Should really try this again now, after it had some rebalancing.

Remove standings and insurance.
Scaly
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-08-06 21:57:08 UTC
I'm a glutton for punishment so I only run missions in ships I really have a boner for. Harpy is one of those ships. It can easily do all level 2 missions and honestly most level 3 as well, I kitted it out for sniping and put a MWD on it with some Spike ammo and just kite everything at 60k+ and snipe it down. You take 0 damage most of the time. Only issues I've ever had were big rats that could outtank my measly 90 dps, or getting ECM'd or webbed by some obnoxious drones. Angel Extravaganza is always a real pulse pounder though, sheesh.
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#13 - 2012-08-07 09:40:49 UTC
Gallente pilot here.

AF's *can* be used for good deal of PvE activities. It's just they are not too effective DPS wise and tank can be tricky. On the other hand I had soloed selected few L4 missions with Ishkur and Enyo.

In my opinion, AF's are good for blitzing L2 and lower DED sistes. I can't comment on WH's.

Though in my experience the best fun is flying them when doing stuff with friends. When everyone is using AF's or similar caliber, it's hornet's swarm. When they fly bigger ships, you're kinda drone for them, taking on smaller targets while they smack on bigger. In either case it's not so great for cash flow, but it's not as boring as regular grinding.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-08-07 11:16:35 UTC
As far as I know AFs are ships of choice to run some pirate arcs (Angels come to mind), mostly because mission pockets don't allow cruisers and bigger ships. Also they are relatively decent @ getting to the agent through lawless space (or can be hauled by BR with little effort, though putting like 40mil ship into 200+ mil ship may be not worth the risk).

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-08-08 03:33:00 UTC
Only reason I used a Wolf for missions was because I trained for t2 frigs before I trained t1 cruisers.
I took a different route.
Hugs n Kisses
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-08-08 05:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Hugs n Kisses
I love ratting in null with my wolf. I know it not optimal isk/hr but its fun.

I play for fun.
Edit: mine does almost 400dps so bs's die fast enough.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#17 - 2012-08-08 05:33:52 UTC
I use both Amar frigs for PvE.

Vengeance can do any L2 and most L3 missions without problem. And it's not even "that" slow :). In addition it's great for small deadspace actions (util high for offline probe launcher).

Retribution is great for belt ratting. Used it against Sanshas in Providence.
[Retribution, Ratting]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Energized EM Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Small Armor Repairer II

1MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II

Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
[empty high slot]

Small Anti-EM Pump I
Small Anti-Thermic Pump I
Take a set of Multifrequenz T1 crystals and you can stay in belts forever :). Use the empty high for offline T2 Salvager if you get an officer spawn. After some time you can replace the low slots with True Sansha stuff which you might find.

PS: Is Providence still NRDS?

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#18 - 2012-08-08 11:05:30 UTC
I find the Ishkur with 150's does just fine in the lower end plexes and sites.

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
Katalci
Kismesis
#19 - 2012-08-09 01:36:08 UTC
They're really only good for the pirate-faction 0.0 Epic Arc missions.
Siva Surya Kshatriya
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-08-09 03:45:09 UTC
For ratting, no, not really. Even the Wolf, one of the highest DPS AF's, takes forever to kill BS rats. However, its advantage over t1 cruisers is that it can speed tank all the BS rats, whereas a non-kiting t1 cruiser will probably have trouble tanking (I'm talking about 2-3 BS rats with 3 NPC cruisers).

AF's do make great lvl. 1-2 missioning boats though, and they might even be able to do lvl. 3's solo (can't say for sure as I've never done them). However arty-Thrashers generally work just as well.
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