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sooooo what just happend? Dev response please.
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Noriko Mai
#21 - 2012-08-06 10:51:08 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Margin Trading is one of the most useless skills in-game, its purpose should be reevaluated imo.

I love the skill and am happy with it. But the mechanic that the orders aren't canceld if you don't have the money for the minimum quantity is realy stupid.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#22 - 2012-08-06 12:14:53 UTC
Been there, got scammed, realised I'd been scammed, was evemailed for tears which turned into an evemail convo in which he explained exactly how it worked and some other choice stuff he used to make ISK via others greed & stupidity.

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Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-08-06 12:17:35 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:

I love the skill and am happy with it. But the mechanic that the orders aren't canceld if you don't have the money for the minimum quantity is realy stupid.

That would defeat the whole purpose of the skill, which is to allow you to invest more ISK into other opportunities. I have a whole bunch of buy and sell orders slowly filling all the time. And the money that comes in is usually enough to cover the money going out. If you tried to sell to everyone of my buy orders at once however, they would all fail. But so far that's never happened, and I've made a lot of legitimate money with the skill.

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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#24 - 2012-08-06 13:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephira Galamore
Sarik Olecar wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:

I love the skill and am happy with it. But the mechanic that the orders aren't canceld if you don't have the money for the minimum quantity is realy stupid.

That would defeat the whole purpose of the skill, which is to allow you to invest more ISK into other opportunities. I have a whole bunch of buy and sell orders slowly filling all the time. And the money that comes in is usually enough to cover the money going out. If you tried to sell to everyone of my buy orders at once however, they would all fail. But so far that's never happened, and I've made a lot of legitimate money with the skill.

Bolded the important part.

Your intended use of the skill wouldnt work well if you don't have the money for the minimum quantity. You will have an ISK buffer to handle a surplus of completed buy orders until the income from the sell orders evens it out.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-08-06 13:04:55 UTC
DEV RESPONSE PLEASE

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Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-08-06 13:08:00 UTC
Yeah, may be, but margin scammers emty the escrow even today, so it would not change a bit.
Doddy
Excidium.
#27 - 2012-08-06 13:14:28 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Margin Trading is one of the most useless skills in-game, its purpose should be reevaluated imo.


Something only a rich man could say.
Doddy
Excidium.
#28 - 2012-08-06 13:16:30 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
Good old marginal trading scam. Impossible to detect.

Im pretty sure the only people in the game that use 'minimum quantity' are margin scammers

so if you are aware of the scams existence, you should never fall for it

EVER


You don't need to set minimum quantity for margin trading scam ....
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-08-06 13:18:01 UTC
I just sent a Nigerian prince $10K to help him get his fortune. I'm gonna be rich...
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#30 - 2012-08-06 13:18:12 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Margin Trading is one of the most useless skills in-game, its purpose should be reevaluated imo.


Something only a rich man could say.


I'm not rich (worth some 35 bil) and I still say it, so what was your point again?
Tark Grethor
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-08-06 13:18:49 UTC
In any normal society this would be breach of contract, pure and simple and as CCP own the market, broker the sale and take a cut of the transaction they should be liable for the full amount lost which I'm sure they are able to recover if they could be bothered Sad
Jess Maine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-08-06 13:26:29 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Margin Trading is one of the most useless skills in-game, its purpose should be reevaluated imo.


Chribba has spoken, CCP.
witchking42
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-08-06 13:38:32 UTC
MT scam....

Also

DEV RESPONSE PLEASE

The single worst thing you can post to prevent a Dev response!
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#34 - 2012-08-06 14:30:19 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Margin Trading is one of the most useless skills in-game, its purpose should be reevaluated imo.

I love the skill and am happy with it. But the mechanic that the orders aren't canceld if you don't have the money for the minimum quantity is realy stupid.

Actually, I agree, that's what the real problem lies. The fact that there are orders remaining on the market that in one or the other way is not behaving like normal orders.

Either those gets removed or a pilot that can't cover the values gets fined or something.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-08-06 14:36:31 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Good old marginal trading scam. Impossible to detect. .



Uhm , if the sell order is a shitload more then the normal rate is and the buy order has a more then 1 minimum required i'd say combined good for a 99 % chance scam attempt.

Price history is your best friend so use it.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#36 - 2012-08-06 14:40:40 UTC
flakeys
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-08-06 14:46:48 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Chribba wrote:
Margin Trading is one of the most useless skills in-game, its purpose should be reevaluated imo.



o//


Finally i can disagree with you for a change .

I do fondly remember when i just strated trading and had 500+ orders going regional.Without margin trading that would have been impossible for me at that time.

For a newbie trader the margin trade is the best skill possible.It could/should be revised so it can't be used as easy to scam but saying it is useless shows that either you never used it or don't give a **** about the newbie who's trying to take a piece of the market us vets mostly cover.

Taking a skill away that helps newbie traders big time only because others are too lazy to check price history is something i strongly dislike.

It's not the skill that makes the victim it's the victim being lazy usually just like with the old contract system of years back.

It's like saying : '' A lot of people have fallen for 3rd party scams so surely 3rd parties must be useless.""

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#38 - 2012-08-06 14:57:57 UTC
Lakshata Chawla wrote:
You fell for the Margin Trading scam.


boom goes the dynamite
Doddy
Excidium.
#39 - 2012-08-06 15:01:51 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Margin Trading is one of the most useless skills in-game, its purpose should be reevaluated imo.


Something only a rich man could say.


I'm not rich (worth some 35 bil) and I still say it, so what was your point again?


35 bil is rich bro (average wealth in eve is less than a billion), for someone starting out as a trader with a few hundred mil margin trading is a life saver.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-08-06 15:20:57 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Margin Trading is one of the most useless skills in-game, its purpose should be reevaluated imo.


When it allows traders to set up buy orders without tying up a ton of capital, yeah, I'd say it's pretty useful.

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