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On the other hand, the "exit VV doesn't like" could be Sarmatiko with his diffs from the internal test server. And yeah I have noticed how things contained in them always seems to move a day or two before they're released...

Ok Ruby / Pipa Porto, now I have finished taking profit. Well, I have finished being vulnerable at taking profit actually, so I can both explain you why I stopped posting in General Discussion and how guys like Corestwo / his friends / Bad Bobby / Rykker Bow / Raw23 "function" and how you and Tippia were instrumental to my business and how you should take care about MD people.

The players above all have a wildly emergent, quick and adaptable mentality. They excel at Excel (pun intended!), read between the lines, can "connect the dots". Then each got further own abilities, skill at finding and teaming with peers and so on.

Now, I am not like them. I am not as brilliant. I am extremely lazy. I absolutely got most of my EvE NAV while AFK (that's why I always said I don't have Hulks but only sell them: pressing F1 F2 F3 at random emptying roids is :effort: and :pay attention:). I get all of my RL income mostly while AFK (so I can do what I like instead). I don't have much feeling with Excel. I am less than sociable except with very few people. I don't like :effort: in any form, expecially at figuring out rogue leaks, pastebins, complicate math for patch speculation and so on. However I can connect dots and read between the lines, both come intuitively and with no :effort: so why not use them.

Here are the inputs I bothered to gather (there were more but they were :effort:):

- Tiericide: ships change roles, this means many will be "aligned" or even buffed (nerfing is harder and less popular, hence the buff to many hulls and the nerfs mostly to uncounterable stuff like subcap killer Titans).
- August: low prices, the earlier before the patch the better (earlier = important factor).
- Miners and botters love AFK play, it's also way easy to multi-box low interaction stuff while paying less attention.
- Miners are tired of Hulkageddon popping them.

Easy deductions:

- CCP will bring more ships up to Hulk-alike levels.
- Hulks being the top now, won't have drastic changes in their materials. So target them as subject to pressure. At the time the fact that BPCs would change minerals was still not known, just quite possible. A most welcome bonus to the plan.
- CCP will give more tank solutions
- Miners will want the most sturdy yet AFK solution possible. Small time botters will want the largest cargo possible (they don't care about tank or super yield).

=> CCP had made well known how the "sweet spot" ship would be the Mack.


Tools for improving patch speculation:

a) Maximum visibility
b) Riding hype
c) Cheapest possible materials
d) Pre-sale of as much stuff as possible

a) Maximum visibility:

- Do not start a thread => best cloak to hide speculation.
- Find a nice existing thread with famous names, possibly CFC known members since they are the hot stuff (BoB lessons teached).

=> The thread that would shortly become threadnought was the obvious choice.

b) Riding hype:

- Take high volume, easily manipulated posters. I warned Tippia on MD some months ago: I explicitly TOLD Tippia I don't reply to his self serving self "likes" farming posts unless to use him. It's not the first time I do something like I describe on this post by leveraging on him.
- Take an highly miners hated Hulk element (taken from the beta server feedback thread) and constantly hammer on it.

=> High volume posters and CFC members will invariably free bump the thread and will predictably counter the Hulk hate element with half "dealz wiz it" and about half "use a Mack". The latter is my speculation hype "payload". Mack becomes a meme.
These people are my engine, they do the :effort: for me, with intricate arguments. I have just to keep spamming the same argument instead.

c) As I said yesterday to Corestwo in game on SCC Lounge, I put my eyes on T2 key materials like Nanotransistors, they lovely tanked right in time to make me not only build stuff for patch speculation but to build it CHEAP. The rest comes by my AFK accrued loads of datacores, minerals and my BP research corps timed to have spare invention slots so I could do everything in house, from T2 materials to finished hulls.

d) I slowly started talking about how no Retriever BPCs were available any more (which is true. The fun thing is that I don't need to lie to profit, I just can't lie anyway ). Then I slowly increased the tune until this BLATANT post (I am surprised you did not call my cards out at this point) where I put in some screenshots for added candy.
These posts prompted guys (mostly those who posted in those last days miners ships threads) into asking me both for Macks and Macks BPCs. The latter happened because I am not a large manufacturer, I simply could not build hundreds of Macks fast. But I could invent 40 Macks at a time.

One of the good things about riding hype is that it's a self fulfilling prophecy, so we REALLY did not have any but super-mega expensive BPC contracts available anywhere. I easily made 30M of pure extra profit (added on top of the regular profit) over each multi-run Mack BPC I sold. I did not even have to put them at Jita, people started asking them to me vie EvE-Mail so all I paid was the basic 10k fee.


In closing, thanks to Richard Desturned, you and Tippia for your free, hard work for me. I am sure you got your reward in forum likes .

BPCs are the excess I could not build before patch day, might be not a lot but it's a bonus.

As for not seeing any hint, well the hints were here weeks ago (a leak? I don't know nor care) well before the new BPC requirements were posted.

Finally, when I say "ride the hype" is exactly that: others heavily risk and invest, others don't really risk and still earn.



From the sale of Macks and BPCs I will:

- buy 5 fitted Tengus
- make 1 or 2 Vargurs
- make 1 Nomad including the underlying Fenrir
- make 1 fitted Orca
- make 3 prowlers
- make 20 fitted cheetahs
- keep 3 Macks for myself for any evenience.

Might not be a lot but hey I am a relatively new player, doing AFK income, who spent some time on the forum.

keeping to the theme of mineral prices, what the hell is happening with noxcium ? atm its sitting at pre droneland + pax nerf, some of this i think is people panic selling huge stockpiles, i know the big spikes of 1000 pu were speculation driven, but pre pax nerf it was capped 550 so you would think i

You forgot a bunch of factors. But misleading facts are always good for the market place and the speculators.

Those who want, may get decently sized hi sec Pyroxeres roids well clustered together, unlinked to belt respawns.

As a bonus, they also get resilient to Hulkageddon ganks while harvesting them.

Not to trol you, but this is sounding like lots of effort

About nox: mining crystals....