EVE General Discussion

QFT.

The only "new shiney" low sec has going for it these days are the buffed Faction Warfare missions and plexing, which hardly counts as a low sec buff in general. Low sec needs other lucrative options for income besides simply funneling everyone into FW because they want to make the most isk / hr.

…in particular, low needs unique options that are integrated into the overall game and made dynamically desirable and in demand to match the dynamics of player-created risk.

FW has become a first attempt at sloooowly edging towards that with the datacore change, but more sources of the kind — and more drastic ones — are needed. There needs to be numerous things that are in high demand all across EVE and which can only be had in lowsec, and which require “harvesting” of different kinds to answer to the demands of various professions. Unique exploration content; unique industry content; hell, why not unique trading content? We already have unique mission content (L5s), but they are strictly speaking not all that necessary for the rest of EVE and are woefully mismatched in terms of design vs. environment (they follow the standard progression of making things harder by adding more damage, requiring larger or tougher ships and adding time to completion, when the environment rather promotes employing equipment that's smaller and faster).

But the trick lies in that universal dependency: just adding more content doesn't do much if there is no particular reason to do it, and one of the best reason to do things in EVE has shown to be “because the market demands it”. Imagine if there were exactly zero sources of nocxium in all of null and highsec…

I said it before, and I'll say it again: make it so that security status can only be gained in low, and allow people to sell off security status in excess of a certain point (let's say +1). Bump up the belt rat bounties as well, maybe by allowing battleships up to 1.25m in value to spawn.

It would be a completely player-regulated market. Make NPC aggro cause the same 15-minute timer that player aggro does for an extra kick.

I'm glad to hear this. It didn't read like a well-thought out design yet. The question of "when does the ramping up reset?" is a big one left unanswered.

Allowing small ships to survive long enough to tackle on gates will be a humongous game-changer in lowsec though. Alpha thrashers will rule and nothing small will get through without cloaks. And even then, it better be nano'd or the skilled decloakers will find them.

A determined camp will be able to catch about anything if you let frigates grab initial tackle without dying.

The ramping up damage thing will only make it harder to have long engagements on gates, or permatank them. That doesn't happen all that often anwyay, so meh - whatever. At least its not that common where I roam and camp.

Although, gate guns already have infinite tracking, immunity to ewar and quite long range. Do they also need ridiculous damage now too?

What exactly is this change supposed to fix? It seems to say "Yes, we want more risk on lowsec travel, and we need more people waiting out 15 minute timers."

I'm a devout PvEer (only in EvE) and I can't agree with the proposed gate changes.

Hiya Tippia! I understand where you are coming from. And yes, I have been playing on SiSi for the last month or more. I like it better than TQ exactly because I can enjoy the PvE content without constantly looking over my shoulder. I pilot my Orca semi-afk in my corp mining ops on TQ while I run my Thanatos on SiSi and do whatever L5s (or pieces of L5s) that allow me in. I scan down sites and run those. I'm about to start toying with Wspace. That same "learning curve" on TQ could be very expensive, and I'm not interested in the potential pain. I started this pattern of play when I was testing the new UI on SiSI and I realized how much fun I was having playing the game without the threat of gankage..

You are correct in that playing on SiSi loses meaning (at least for me) because upon the next mirror, all my "accomplishments" will be blown away, reset, wiped, kaput, and synced with TQ. But it's still a lot more fun to conduct PvE without being under the cloud of potential gankage.

More on topic : the gate guns don't need fixing. Gate camps are not the reason that Low Sec is empty. Gate camps are actually few and far between, and I've never seen a [-gasp-] carrier on a gate in my travels.

To "fix" the problem of an empty low sec, the psychology of PvEers must be addressed. More rewards won't fix the problem. The PITA factor of conducting PvE in a purely PvP environment is the problem.

Unfortunately, making TQ like SiSi (consensual PvP only) such that PvEers will frequently visit low/null secs, means breaking the core principles of EvE. This is because you would have to do things like lock mission/complex gates such that the PvEers are safe once inside. Things like that would fix the problem, and would also result in massive protests and multiple emoragequit threadzillas...

I don't know if it hurts travellers since damage ramps up ... unless maybe the sentries get infinite range scram and webs.

Waiting out timers or sitting off-grid does sound likely though.

So the changes he says are being made to break up gate camps are really to kill the carriers trying to break the camps? So you're still helping the pirates and making the situation worse, there really is no way to defend this patch the way it has been presented. Lowsec needs love, this isn't love, its a beating with a pipe in a back alley, not quite the same thing.

The answer about your question is yes the are serious about it and the gonne do that without or with your support. This change some things here in eve but its not game breaking for me for pirats QQ carebear docking/dock play game it is..... To bad for those guys but he guys what there is always a way around it. You need to find it first offcourse.

Sit on the gate maybe. Play games on the station undock, since stations have guns as well.

I mean if they go elsewhere, they'll be caught and killed away from the guns. How scary ~

You said it yourself lad, learn/adapt. Which is what we all must do when the game evolves, as it must in order to thrive.