Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So at which point does your idea remove any ISK from the game?

I don't honestly think he has one.

Im going to spend the extra isk on faction weapons on my megathron why?

To be honest I just don't see the point. If somebody has skills for T2 guns they aren't going to use faction guns. T2 guns do more DPS with their appropriate specialization skill than faction guns, at a fraction of the cost.

however faction weapon systems with faction ammo loaded iirc does more damage than T2 weapons with T2 ammo loaded generally.

having the skills and the possible skill i suggested might give some people a incentive to actually risk faction weapon systems in pvp, and for the poster asking why people would risk faction weapon systems, well some people in eve have a lot of isk and to them the loss of several bill worth of carrier for a example is usually "oh damn now I got to go shopping at the market..." read comments in the CSM minutes.
Plus ask yourself would you be happy with all your income sources nerfed across the board as that was one preposal in the CSM minuites.

Hmm...That still doesn't take care of the fact that T2 guns will deal more damage with T1/Faction/T2 ammo than their faction counterparts. If this skill buffed faction gun damage then I can see a case for it. Though from a storyline perspective it's my understanding that faction guns are just very well-engineered variants of T1 technology. Enabling T2 ammo usage for faction guns would implicitly enable the use of T2 ammo for T1 hardware.

Maybe the T2 ammo would damage the T1 hardware, and the skill could help mitigate this? This idea seems to be a little complex from a storyline perspective. I like your concept of buffing faction guns to be in line with the cost/benefit trade-off of other T2/faction module pairings, but I'm more in favor of making the hardware more specialized rather than just making it better than T2.

I think that that's the kind of path that CCP would rather take--specialization over iteration.

It's only partially determined by the market. The idea behind the original poster's concept was that it would serve as an ISK sink because these modules are created through the loyalty point stores, which requires ISK, LP, and faction tags. The tags will vary in price as demand and supply dance around each other, but the ISK required is a flat rate, and most (smart) people looking to cash out on LP won't accept anything below 2000 ISK/LP. I usually only cash out when I can grab 3500-4000 ISK/LP, so I don't think that supply would skyrocket outside of reasonable levels, nor would supply be unable to keep pace with demand.

I agree with you completely that there needs to be an actual advantage to using faction guns. I'd prefer if the advantage were situational, though. E.G.: A bonus to tracking, or range, or ROF instead of a bonus to everything.

I'm being realistic, though. I don't expect that this idea will go anywhere. As a disclaimer, I'm just stream-of-thought-ing.

Interesting ideas so far, and glad to see this is sticking to a discussion and debate :) you can kinda see what i'm getting at though and hopefuly the thinking and logic behind the original idea I started the thread about.

instead of the idea about T3 ammo, what about when used with advanced weapon system reconfiguration besides allowing the use of T2 ammo in faction weapon systems it changes some of the atributes of the faction weapon as someone above posted? and I def like the idea about it causing damage to faction weapon systems though this gets negated at lvl 5 skill trained in advanced weapon system reconfiguration but you are still NOT able to use in standard T1 weapon systems, IE meta 0-4 weapon systems, only faction ones upwards?

Spurty I like that idea personaly bar the T3 ammo concept, simpler to just add a skill I think allowing the use of T2 ammo in meta 5+ weapon systems is good, example being using Void ammo in Fed navy blasters, less of a range nerf but less damage kinda thing along with needing level 5 of advanced weapon system reconfiguration to avoid damage done to the weapon systems themselves ie overheating them with T2 ammo in them would unless you have AWSR level 5 would cause the weapon systems damage from overheating and using T2 ammo.

Thoughts? :)

that would pritty much kill incursions which is not the idea.

and if you read the CSM minutes you'll see think it was CCP soundwave saying he regrets what happened to the incursion community as a result of changes made.

but thoughts on the idea about faction weapon systems and T2 ammo etc? :)