EVE General Discussion

About my reaction too.

Supercaps where for art thou Supercaps. Ohh right your sitting in your pos's afraid that maybe they'll be a risk of losing that precious precious Supercap.

A lot of people here seem to be from 0.0(might be completely wrong on that point) but in my own opinion and experience a lot of the complaining and calls for balance came from those of us in Low Security space. (This might be the fact that most people in Low sec don't have the resources to build super caps so the nerf might not be a problem for us). Lets say your an FC in my own Caldari Militia(Mock militia if you want but come by with a fair fight afterwards please and we will show you what true PvP is, along with the myriad of decent Pirate and Anti-Pirate organizations out there(Mostly Pirate ) And lets say you find some Wartargets wondering around the pipes. You engage, you have a pretty decent fight going with about forty to sixty people engaged total with BS's BC's and Logi, and then some ******* pops a Cyno and one(Yes one) Supercap drops. You immediately have to abandon the fight because even if you could get a HIC to point it (Which some FW pilots on all sides more than likely do) you couldn't kill it in time for them to do a logoffski.

So basically Two whole people (Or one person and his alt) just ruined the day of around 60 people. This is basically the EVE version of trolling. There is no true point in dropping supercaps in most situations except making your epeen seem big and collecting tears of us lowly people in low sec.

However now that maybe those sixty people can maybe (and I do stress maybe) point your super in time before it cynos out and it can longer perform a logoffski? Well if your in the oh so prestigious 0.0 alliances and you look down on us myriad militia and others and you say you can't get a fleet together to support something thats worth what...16-25 bil? In 45 minutes with the amount of Dreads we could bring along with logi carriers and other assorted ****. (Which is at the very very least the amount estimated to kill a supercap after the changes...its probably understating the time it will take). As has been said many many times in this thread. You deserve to lose that supercap in a horrible ball of fire.

And the Supercarriers won't exactly be helpless quivering infants versus the almighty smaller ships. It seems that BS's will still be in trouble from fighter bombers and dreads and carriers definitely will be. And anything below that cannot reasonably apply the amount of DPS to actually kill a supercap. I guess this doesn't actually work for 0.0 because your fighter-bombers can't hit interdictors. But it has also been mentioned that if you can't bring enough to support it you deserve to die.

Even with a 20% percent gimp in tank the Supercap still requires a massive commitment of subcaps and dreads and carriers to take down....wait they GIMPED the Supercaps?

Supercarriers have been a way for 0.0 people who have no true skill in PvP(There are some rare alliances and corporations in 0.0 who do PvP and do it rather well) to gank a relatively large amount of people in relatively large ships with no fear of consequences. Hopefully this will lead to a more specialized role of a Supercap being fire support against Caps and BS's then being the OMGWTFPWN button.

If you are someone who believes this will just lead from supercap blob warfare to subcap blob warfare? At least there are ways to mitigate a subcap blob. Its a constant dance of what you have and what the enemy does. Do you have lots of ECM? what if they have a lot of ECCM fitted? You have a lot of Damps? What if they have sensor range boosters? They have tons of Logi? Maybe we should bring a bunch of Arty ships to alpha their logi or through the rep cycles. (Although from what i have heard of the fitting discipline of a lot of 0.0 alliances this might become difficult to organize)

You have been made ignorant to the ways that can equalize numbers in a subcap fleet from the sheer epic stupid simplicty of Supercap warfare. What do you use to kill a Supercarrier? Two supercarriers. What do you use to kill 2 supercarriers? Three supercarriers. and so on and so on.

As for the POS bashing Issue i do see a good point with this. With the amount of time and effort put into building and maintaining supercaps they should at least be able to come up to a similar level in DPS against a POS. Not as good as a Dread because then the Dread becomes useless again but somewhere close. They could find a way to balance it maybe making a specialized fighter-bomber just for POS bashing.

The results of this patch will hopefully be that Supercaps will no longer be the only factor taken into account when you are in a fleet fight. Hopefully this will mean significantly less Supercap trolling in lowsec and 0.0 because some ******* thinks its funny and cant be bothered to form an actual fleet and take it out to get some kills. Hopefully it will promote smart intelligent and diverse play rather than one way or don't bother coming out. Hopefully many people driven out by the ridiculous imbalance of Supercaps will be brought back to where ever they left from. If it doesn't go that far? At least its a step in the right direction.

Wow i just wrote a massive wall of text that most people who are on this forum will not even read. Oh well.

See you guys Starside
~Simyaldee

What?!? Scaps pilots are being forced to use strategy instead of brute force in order to achieve a victory?!?

This is madness! roll this **** back nao!

edit:typo

Will there be human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria etc as well?

Can you cancel the remainder of your accounts also?
We will all be better off.. Just saying

If your sub-cap fleet is decimated, then you deserve to lose a super cap or three. PvP with risk and consequences. Imagine that.

Furthermore, we need more churn in EVE's industrial complex. A major part of this game is making the **** that blows stuff up and gets blown up. Increased industrial demand in EVE is good for business in-game and IRL.

I call bull.

Right now, if you have a subcap fleet and want to kill a capital blob, you need a humongous blob. So it's even worse that it could be pre-patch.

I didn't read the rest of the thread yet but god damn this is priceless.

You cap jockeys are funny. :) Heaven forbid you should have combat outside your cap blobs.