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Why do so many EVE players think they are superior gamers?
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pussnheels
Viziam
#81 - 2012-08-05 15:32:07 UTC
As soi many of my fellow ^posters pointed out , we feel superior because we play a superior and unique game
how many %%O qs ar'e out there that can claim that they are a sandbox and have a player driven universe , where one mistake can coist you months of invested time and still we come back again and again
this game needs more than just the skills ingame , it is one of the only games where you need some brainpower if you want to succeed
and this is why alot of us feel superior towards other MMO gamers
r

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-08-05 15:37:49 UTC
would you really play a game for years that forced you into thinking you were inferior and you might as well quit because you'll never be able to play "right"?

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#83 - 2012-08-05 15:44:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Gerard
int bPlayingEVE = 1;

do {
System.Console.WriteLine("I am Superior!");
} while (bPlayingEVE = 1);

Now with 100% less Troll.
Zera Kerrigan
The 420th Token
#84 - 2012-08-05 15:45:34 UTC
'Cause we are.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#85 - 2012-08-05 16:29:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
pussnheels wrote:
As soi many of my fellow ^posters pointed out , we feel superior because we play a superior and unique game
how many %%O qs ar'e out there that can claim that they are a sandbox and have a player driven universe , where one mistake can coist you months of invested time and still we come back again and again
this game needs more than just the skills ingame , it is one of the only games where you need some brainpower if you want to succeed
and this is why alot of us feel superior towards other MMO gamers
r


I agree EVE is superior in some dimensions, but only in areas that aren't really that exciting, like economy. I hear ppl saying EVE is hard and hardcore and how you have to be smart to play it and I just have to roll my eyes.

ppl thinking this is the only game,I could name a game that has full loot, alliance politics and clan siege warfare involving craftable ships and siege equipment, huge open world, FFA pvp and where player skill will actually set you apart and play a huge role in combat. The world is so big that ppl complain it takes them too loong to run into each other. Of a game based on individual player skills, youd be hard to find a better FPS game, as most of the projectiles have a much slower flight time than traditional FPS and you have to account for that, or they may be effected by gravity. You must not only have twitch skills you have to be able to predict where your opponent will be at the moment of impact. Tactical use of terrain is VERY important.

The game has no advertising save word of mouth, unfortunately, and got a bad rap from all the retards who cried about other players being better than them even though the HP difference between a newly created character and a 3+year "maxed out" veteran was less than 50%. You could argue the game has a low population for its world size, but you really can attribute a good portion of that to being too hardcore for most gamers. Imagine EVE without high sec. There is no PVE that can be done in safety and for what little safety there is inside NPC noob starter cities, you can still be killed. I could not get anyone I knew to play it, not because they thought the game was bad but because they didn't want to lose their **** to other players and feel that skill gap that you don't have to feel in EVE. Its called Darkfall and I doubt anyone in this thread has even played it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#86 - 2012-08-05 16:42:10 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
As soi many of my fellow ^posters pointed out , we feel superior because we play a superior and unique game
how many %%O qs ar'e out there that can claim that they are a sandbox and have a player driven universe , where one mistake can coist you months of invested time and still we come back again and again
this game needs more than just the skills ingame , it is one of the only games where you need some brainpower if you want to succeed
and this is why alot of us feel superior towards other MMO gamers
r


I agree EVE is superior in some dimensions, but only in areas that aren't really that exciting, like economy. I hear ppl saying EVE is hard and hardcore and how you have to be smart to play it and I just have to roll my eyes.

ppl thinking this is the only game,I could name a game that has full loot, alliance politics and clan siege warfare involving craftable ships and siege equipment, huge open world, FFA pvp and where player skill will actually set you apart and play a huge role in combat. The world is so big that ppl complain it takes them too loong to run into each other. Of a game based on individual player skills, youd be hard to find a better FPS game, as most of the projectiles have a much slower flight time than traditional FPS and you have to account for that, or they may be effected by gravity. You must not only have twitch skills you have to be able to predict where your opponent will be at the moment of impact. Tactical use of terrain is VERY important.

The game has no advertising save word of mouth, unfortunately, and got a bad rap from all the retards who cried about other players being better than them even though the HP difference between a newly created character and a 3+year "maxed out" veteran was less than 50%. You could argue the game has a low population for its world size, but you really can attribute a good portion of that to being too hardcore for most gamers. Imagine EVE without high sec. There is no PVE that can be done in safety and for what little safety there is inside NPC noob starter cities, you can still be killed. I could not get anyone I knew to play it, not because they thought the game was bad but because they didn't want to lose their **** to other players and feel that skill gap that you don't have to feel in EVE. Its called Darkfall and I doubt anyone in this thread has even played it.


So that means Darkfall and EVE players are a superior class of people then.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-08-05 16:56:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
As soi many of my fellow ^posters pointed out , we feel superior because we play a superior and unique game
how many %%O qs ar'e out there that can claim that they are a sandbox and have a player driven universe , where one mistake can coist you months of invested time and still we come back again and again
this game needs more than just the skills ingame , it is one of the only games where you need some brainpower if you want to succeed
and this is why alot of us feel superior towards other MMO gamers
r


I agree EVE is superior in some dimensions, but only in areas that aren't really that exciting, like economy. I hear ppl saying EVE is hard and hardcore and how you have to be smart to play it and I just have to roll my eyes.

ppl thinking this is the only game,I could name a game that has full loot, alliance politics and clan siege warfare involving craftable ships and siege equipment, huge open world, FFA pvp and where player skill will actually set you apart and play a huge role in combat. The world is so big that ppl complain it takes them too loong to run into each other. Of a game based on individual player skills, youd be hard to find a better FPS game, as most of the projectiles have a much slower flight time than traditional FPS and you have to account for that, or they may be effected by gravity. You must not only have twitch skills you have to be able to predict where your opponent will be at the moment of impact. Tactical use of terrain is VERY important.

The game has no advertising save word of mouth, unfortunately, and got a bad rap from all the retards who cried about other players being better than them even though the HP difference between a newly created character and a 3+year "maxed out" veteran was less than 50%. You could argue the game has a low population for its world size, but you really can attribute a good portion of that to being too hardcore for most gamers. Imagine EVE without high sec. There is no PVE that can be done in safety and for what little safety there is inside NPC noob starter cities, you can still be killed. I could not get anyone I knew to play it, not because they thought the game was bad but because they didn't want to lose their **** to other players and feel that skill gap that you don't have to feel in EVE. Its called Darkfall and I doubt anyone in this thread has even played it.


So that means Darkfall and EVE players are a superior class of people then.


No, I have just noticed that there were more claims of superiority comming from the players of EVE than any other community I've encountered. I'm just wondering why EVE players feel superior in a game that is, imo, mostly devoid of player skill in comparison to other games, probably in order to hold on to its relatively large population. there have been some great answers in this thread so far.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#88 - 2012-08-05 17:01:41 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:


No, I have just noticed that there were more claims of superiority comming from the players of EVE than any other community I've encountered. I'm just wondering why EVE players feel superior in a game that is, imo, mostly devoid of player skill in comparison to other games, probably in order to hold on to its relatively large population. there have been some great answers in this thread so far.


Well the only other MMO that has required as much practice and thinking as has gone into my megathrons is the dogfighting tie bomber in SWG. Most of the other MMOs out there are so easy a 3 year old can play them and so risk free they put a padded room to shame.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-08-05 17:31:34 UTC
Eve is a smart and complex game, so the players assume they must be smart and complex because they're playing it.

In reality, the average Eve player is dumber than a sack of bricks and doesn't understand 90% of what happens in game.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Scion Lex
LEX Investments
#90 - 2012-08-05 17:37:56 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?


Nice troll....good effort. Really.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#91 - 2012-08-05 18:20:31 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
would you really play a game for years that forced you into thinking you were inferior and you might as well quit because you'll never be able to play "right"?



Since 2006 Sad

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Ensign X
#92 - 2012-08-05 18:36:43 UTC
Ensign X wrote:
It's not about EVE players thinking they're superior, it's nerds in general...I pity the nerd.


Tom Gerard wrote:
int bPlayingEVE = 1;

do {
System.Console.WriteLine("I am Superior!");
} while (bPlayingEVE = 1);


Case closed.P
Josef Djugashvilis
#93 - 2012-08-05 19:51:16 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Eve is a smart and complex game, so the players assume they must be smart and complex because they're playing it.

In reality, the average Eve player is dumber than a sack of bricks and doesn't understand 90% of what happens in game.


The truth hurts, and boy do I hurt.

This is not a signature.
Ganjjabeard
Black Vanguard Ops
#94 - 2012-08-05 20:01:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganjjabeard
OP is verrrryyyy wrong. EVE online takes alllooootttttt of skill and an equal amount if not more of knowledge. this game is by far the most confusing technical game ive ever played and ive played alot of games in my time. this game feels more like a job than anything ive ever played, but the reason i play it is because of 2 very important things.


1. losses and dying actually mean something terrible. you lose a spaceship, gotta go outa ur way to reacquire the materials and rebuild it again, only to have it popped again. and thats just your spaceship. then we have your shiny pod with implants and skillpoints. the most devastating thing in this game is losing a pod with hella sp and realising you didnt update your medical stuff before hand so 30mil points goes to 900,000 again. LOL no this didnt happen to me but i think of it all the time which forces me to constantly make sure im updated lol. just the possibility that this can happen shows that the developers want to troll their players lol.


2. my cubicle is a spaceship! so yea even if the game feels like a job sometimes, im doing something which im pretty sure i will never do in my real life, which is fly around the universe in a spaceship fit out with awesome guns. the universe is a truely beautiful work of art, and ccp did a great job of making EVE online's universe look as beautiful as the real thing. just google different galaxies and nebulae (yes the plural form of nebula) and stuff and look at the pictures that our telescopes capture. as carl sagan once said, "a still more glorious dawn awaits."

anyways yea this is definitely the best game imo cuz i love space and the feeling of blowing up someone elses shiny toys, but it also requires the most skill, patience, and knowledge of any game ive ever seen. in terms of the mechanics of the game and technicality, id consider this game more of a simulator to be used in a lab or something to test things lol with all the damn numbers lol

but ya the reason why i feel superior to other gamers is because this game takes so much skill and knowledge that it dwarfs any other game. even minecraft is tougher than other games like shooters where you just have to be all tweaked out on something to shoot someone faster than they shoot you. at least rts games take some skill and strategy to win. but nothing at all comes close to the skill needed to play and maintain an EVE online account. (let alone 1, most players have like more than 2 or 3 characters they play at once even more lol!)

GET IN THE VAN
Maddie Gunslinger
Doomheim
#95 - 2012-08-05 21:37:05 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
int bPlayingEVE = 1;

do {
System.Console.WriteLine("I am Superior!");
} while (bPlayingEVE = 1);


You seriously need to take a look at this you posted, or I will grade it for you and make you feel like a ganked machariel mission runner. Twisted

What? No...
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#96 - 2012-08-05 22:04:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Here is something more to ignore:

Dictionary dot com:

Skill

1. the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well

Fail. Now back to ignor-ance and the bliss thereof.

—Ω—
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-08-05 22:44:10 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
I actually think its pretty smart to post on an alt in a game like this where some disgruntled no-lifer would actually dedicate time trying to annoy me after hearing the unwanted truth.

Being a coward is sometimes smart. It's still cowardly though.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
ashley Eoner
#98 - 2012-08-05 22:58:57 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
pussnheels wrote:
As soi many of my fellow ^posters pointed out , we feel superior because we play a superior and unique game
how many %%O qs ar'e out there that can claim that they are a sandbox and have a player driven universe , where one mistake can coist you months of invested time and still we come back again and again
this game needs more than just the skills ingame , it is one of the only games where you need some brainpower if you want to succeed
and this is why alot of us feel superior towards other MMO gamers
r
Unique game? This game has been done over and over through the years. Trade Wars Space Merchant SMR etc etc.. Hell despite being in space the game itself is a very conventional game with obvious parallels to mainstream MMOs.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#99 - 2012-08-05 23:06:52 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
would you really play a game for years that forced you into thinking you were inferior and you might as well quit because you'll never be able to play "right"?

Since 2006 Sad

Oh my, what game would that be.

Sounds terrible Cool

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Elliot Vodka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-08-05 23:09:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Elliot Vodka
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Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?A better question would be "Why do some people think this game is only for them?"