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90% of PVP happens at gates. THAT'S that problem.

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Kunming
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#141 - 2012-08-05 12:17:06 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
All this moaning about 'gate camping' is hillarious.

You know people have to use them, so thats a great place to catch targets


You know people have to use them, so thats a great place to stop ppl moving around

Free targets for minimal risk is not good game play.
Boudicca Arbosa
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2012-08-05 12:28:40 UTC
Kunming wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
All this moaning about 'gate camping' is hillarious.

You know people have to use them, so thats a great place to catch targets


You know people have to use them, so thats a great place to stop ppl moving around

Free targets for minimal risk is not good game play.



But people whine about hisec being the same thing. Free ISK for minimal risk. It all comes full circle.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#143 - 2012-08-05 12:44:54 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Look at all the cowards coming out of the woodwork to defend their campy ways.


Tell us more about these cowards , i'm sure we can all learn from your 3 solo kills.Teach us how to not fear the rifter and pod o wise one.We all wanna be just like you.



I've killed a lot more than 3 people solo.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#144 - 2012-08-05 13:41:22 UTC
Kunming wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
All this moaning about 'gate camping' is hillarious.

You know people have to use them, so thats a great place to catch targets


You know people have to use them, so thats a great place to stop ppl moving around

Free targets for minimal risk is not good game play.
Minimal risk, you must be joking or trolling? Camping gates is far from that and anyone who has done it, will tell you the same.

Someone else said this in another thread, "It's like having a large sign saying 'come at me bro'."

Let's look at nerfing your income and see how far we get.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#145 - 2012-08-05 14:31:00 UTC
this is part of the reason why real pvpers stay away from EVE. Also the fact the pvp is devoid of player skill.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#146 - 2012-08-05 14:34:19 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
this is part of the reason why real pvpers stay away from EVE. Also the fact the pvp is devoid of player skill.
Wha...?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#147 - 2012-08-05 14:40:36 UTC
There is LOTS of skill =P

Everyone has to press F1 when I tell them to.

Fleet:
2x Broadsword
7x Tornado
1x Huggin

Typical fleet:
15m prep
15m travel
15m camp
15m RTB

Been hot-dropped once and picked up a Panther kill after losing 4 nados and a huggin.

On gate we push nearly 100% kills, lots of T3s =)

Now with 100% less Troll.
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#148 - 2012-08-05 14:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Russell Casey
Nerf Burger wrote:
this is part of the reason why real pvpers stay away from EVE. Also the fact the pvp is devoid of player skill.


They stay away because they have to do PvE to PvP. PvP'ers in most games want to press a button, get some thrills, then log off and go do something else. Likewise, PvE'ers want to just farm something without having to run from PvP'ers all the time (the real reason the highsec crowd won'tl go to low even with these changes). And both stay away because they hate losing their crap when they die and having to start over.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#149 - 2012-08-05 14:55:37 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
this is part of the reason why real pvpers stay away from EVE. Also the fact the pvp is devoid of player skill.


My idiot alarm is going haywire.

Learn to pvp.
Kingston Black
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2012-08-05 15:47:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kingston Black
utterly hate the proposed changes, what i liked about lowsec was the fact that the gate guns mean there were no small ships forcing people into heavier tanked ships thus changing the feel of combat. I love roaming in null sec and flying around in sabres and fast tackle and its great fun but i really find the change of pace of lowsec with all bs gangs and t3 tackle refreshing and the same with wh combat tbh. Changing lowsec so everyone is using frigate tackle at the gate is just making the game samey and rather lame tbh not to mention making it harder for newbies in small ships to run away

And for those people saying "you should go and find kills and not camp gates" we do, no one will fight us directly so we have to bait people with neutral alts then bridge em cause theyre all pussies ;)

On a side note, just delay or remove local and perhaps people would pvp in system more.... just a suggestion....
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#151 - 2012-08-05 15:56:50 UTC
Kingston Black wrote:
remove local


Only valid point in the entire paragraph, but it is a good point =P

Now with 100% less Troll.
Kingston Black
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-08-05 16:00:37 UTC
guess you like the pvp to be the same all over eve then if you disagree with the rest then :P

but ehh im not here to argue CCP will **** over whatever they want to as usual and we'll all have to adapt or have a winter of rage with the only 3 guys that live in lowsec
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#153 - 2012-08-05 16:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Gerard
Kingston Black wrote:
guess you like the pvp to be the same all over eve then if you disagree with the rest then :P

but ehh im not here to argue CCP will **** over whatever they want to as usual and we'll all have to adapt or have a winter of rage with the only 3 guys that live in lowsec



I agree that if the changes go in with local enabled, bad things will happen.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#154 - 2012-08-05 16:28:24 UTC
Sadly Eve Online mechanics make it so that 99% of pvp happens at gates and stations. Its simply the way it is.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#155 - 2012-08-05 16:34:42 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
this is part of the reason why real pvpers stay away from EVE. Also the fact the pvp is devoid of player skill.
Wha...?

He is helping you to reach for the block button.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#156 - 2012-08-05 16:36:39 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
this is part of the reason why real pvpers stay away from EVE. Also the fact the pvp is devoid of player skill.
Wha...?

He is helping you to reach for the block button.

Gotta press F1.

Maybe even F2 for the scram and F3 for the web. Newbies can do this as well... along with targeting, of course.

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Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#157 - 2012-08-05 16:59:32 UTC
you will be amazed op, but essential element of PVP are human players and for some reason, they happen to pass gates from time to time.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#158 - 2012-08-06 03:02:19 UTC
Tub Chil wrote:
you will be amazed op, but essential element of PVP are human players and for some reason, they happen to pass gates from time to time.

Not everyone can skip past gates without jumping through. Shocked

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Pipa Porto
#159 - 2012-08-06 03:09:07 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tub Chil wrote:
you will be amazed op, but essential element of PVP are human players and for some reason, they happen to pass gates from time to time.

Not everyone can skip past gates without jumping through. Shocked


I do it by hopping. Combined with a skip and a jump, it's an unstoppable combo for travel.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Boudicca Arbosa
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2012-08-06 13:14:31 UTC
McRoll wrote:
The problem is not so much the players, it's the game design. Sadly, fighting on gates is the most effective and fastest way to get kills, so you find all players there obviously. I had this mindset to get "good pvp" earlier as well, but after half a year of pirating in lowsec I just realized that it is a huge waste of time, so I just used my smartbomb BS and instalocking Mach on sniperspots until I got bored of it.

Eve just looks like it was a space game but lacks everything that lets you feel like you would actually travel through space. It is just moving from one fixed point to another, those fixed points are belts, stations, gates and another objects that you warp to. In between there is nothing and this is the problem.

If you would actually need to travel between those fixed points at varios speeds and if you had the ability to search and intercept ships mid- travel, then we would have more exciting and credible space combat. Also, the ability to warp away after couple of seconds of picking up speed kills various forms of PvP. It would be better if it would take more time to accelerate and the warp disrupting ability would be greatly reduced, this way ships would need to maneuver around way more and one would get more possibilities to intercept ships on other locations than just gates.

But then again this would mean a total redesign of the game so it's not gonna happen. I personally hope that some day there will be another space game that gets the space combat thing better than Eve.



Good post. Agree with most everything here.