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Battlereport: Gallente militia vs Caldari vs Rote Kapelle

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Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#1 - 2012-08-05 01:05:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
The following posts are a summation of two different battlereports as seen from the perspective of the Gallente Militia. In typical FW style, quite a bit of theatre is injected for good measure. So let’s begin…


FIRST BATTLEREPORT

Friday Night Rumble In Lowsec Placid – Triple Threat Match; Gallente Militia vs Caldari Militia vs Rote Kapelle.

Rough approximation of each fleet;

Gal Mil fielded: 9 armor BS, 3 Guardians, 2 Scorps, 1 Falcon, 6 BCs, and a dozen cruisers/frigs
Cal Mil fielded: 13 armor BS, 2 Rooks, 2 Blackbirds, 1 Scorpion, 1 Damnation, 5 Tackles
RK fielded: 12 Tornados, 2 Zealots, 2 Rapiers, 1 Lachesis, 3 Tackles

Doctored Battlereport; http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=10175


THE BACKSTORY

It had been a long week of bunker busting where we had knocked out at least 30+ systems and there were another 10 or so systems left to do this Friday night. Despite the grueling structure grinding, the spirit of Gal Mil pilots was still relatively high on comms as we were keeping the end goal in mind; cashing out at T4 and blotting out the sun with our Navy Domis.

One of the interesting obstacles to this week’s bunker busting was the fact that the backwater systems of northern lowsec Placid was experiencing an Incursion. Incursions means nasty Sansha rats who could hit harder and focus fire better than a Cal Mil gang. These rats would be a major threat to us on the stargates if we were fielding paper thin Tier 3 BCs for our Bunker Busting. Thus, we shipped into armor Battleships with Guardians. While we would’ve preferred a more mobile fleet for our structure grinding here in Nullsec lite, we realize neither our enemies nor other external forces would not make it easy for us to reach our end goal of being space rich. We had to adapt.

As we mindlessly shoot the Ihub of Mercomesier, we receive intel of a 20-man war target gang slowly making their way to our system. Their fleet comp comprised of roughly dozen armor Battleships, some tackle, and a crap ton of Ewar. 2 Rooks, a Scorpion, and a couple Blackbirds, I believe?

Now, an armor BS gang vs armor BS gang fight is a lot of fun and it’s something so few of us experience given the age of the Nano Blap. But we knew we had no chance in hell of taking them on given the large amount of ewar ships they were fielding. It would simply neutralize our logis and we’d get ROFLstomped.

Trapped into a dead end system, we could do nothing else but continue to work on this Mercomesier ihub and then follow that up with the ihub in the Athounon system next door; the final dead end system. We could only hope they get bored and start to lose pilots who needed to log.

Unfortunately, Squids would wait patiently and start positioning their fleet around the outbound gate eagerly awaiting to pounce on us. I'm shadowing them in local and looking at their fleet comp. Even though they had a lot of Ewar, I was a bit surprised at the lack of logi complimenting this BS gang. The thought of a spider repping BS gang complimented by Ewar came to my mind. But who does that anyway? So my next thought was...

[ 2012.08.04 05:34:33 ]Deen Wispa > so where's the triage support? :)
[ 2012.08.04 05:34:48 ] Super Chair > we jam your logi
[ 2012.08.04 05:34:50 ] Super Chair > never fail

I suppose. But having spent 6 months in FW, I realize that the one thing both sides share in common is the desire to beat the other person into the ground with no remorse nor regret. And more times than not, that means going overboard with the fleet comps. There are no gudfights in FW. Only winning.

Now, with Gal Mil's network of 2,000 spy alts in Cal Mil, and another 50 double agents and handles seeded on their comms, we knew better than to believe Super Chair. We figure they'd have cap support somewhere. But nothing we could do for now so continue on with the busting we must.

I decided to take my leave of their local and rejoin the BB gang. Twenty minutes later, our scouts started laughing their butts off on comms. Apparently, a Rote Kapelle Tornado gang decided to show up in Squid's local and lay waste to 4 of their 5 ewar ships. The news of this was such a morale boost to our fleet. We could only hope that RK would do the job that we could not do. And even if they didn't, we felt more confident of taking on the Squids new gang sans the Ewar

Still though, we had to continue with the BBing and pray to God that RK wouldn't learn learn of our fleet. Turns out we weren't so lucky. Their Loki pilot jumps into our system. Knowing that our times up, the FC calls for us to warp to the gate and jump on contact into Mercomesier. We would then warp to the Reschard gate in Mercomesier. Both RK and the Squids were waiting for us in Reschard. It is at this gate that we would make our stand against both Rote Kapelle and Caldari Militia and the following three way tango would ensue.

ROUND 1

The RK gang which included a dozen Nados, a couple inties, a Lach, and two Rapiers jump into us. We immediately down the Lach (which had a Cyno) and start grabbing tackle on everything else. We kill off another Nado before they finally start burning out into their preferred range. We knew this would happen which would immediately put our slow Armor BS gang at a huge disadvantage especially with the Squid Armor gang still looking to jump us at an opportune time.

Preparing for the eventuality of being kited beforehand, we discussed the idea of using rolling warp-ins on the Nados. While we did have several inty pilots in fleet, I was dissapointed to learn I was the only one who knew how to use the concept of a rolling warpin for this exact situation. And even I was a bit noobish on executing the concept. Unfortnately, most people aren’t interested in learning these useful fleet tactics. Why fly such an unglamorous ship and be denied of j4B isk worth of juicy KMs in an epic fight like this? But I digress.

To be continued...

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#2 - 2012-08-05 01:07:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Certainly most kiting gangs facing a slow armor logi gang would think victory is in their hands. However, I was determined to show that a 25M Isk Ares ship would help win this fight. Not the 200M isk Battleships. I start burning around them at an angle and try to get to an ideal distance from them which would give my fleet a suitable warpin right on top of them. Rote Kapelle know what I'm doing and they immediately start to try to agress me hoping a couple shots would down what is essentially a pesky mosquito to them. As soon I found the right angle, we had the fleet warp to me at their optimal. The warpin was perfect and our slow BS gang landed right on top of them and melted another Nado. Sadly, we failed to tackle anything else and they warped off to regroup. In hindsight, we probably should’ve had the fleet land ahead of the RK gang in order to “meet” their kiting momentum. Had we done so, we might’ve caught a couple more. Regardless, The Gallente Armada holds the field.

ROUND 2

With us holding the field and RK trying to regroup, we knew the Squids were ready to jump in and take advantage of the chaos. We immediately warped back to the gate at zero awaiting the next round of fighting. Sure enough, they would jump into the fight. Their Domi pilot decloaked too early and we finish him easily. We then finish off a Geddon and another Domi when all of a sudden, we hear the two words that injects pure adrenaline into the veins of every pilot ;

"CYNO'S UP!"

As suspected, a neutral Archon belonging to the Caldari militia gets cynoed in. FC continues to start prioritizing and downing one Battleship after another in what becomes an epic slugfest on a usually quiet Friday night in lowsec Placid. So with the Archon on the field, Gal Mil does what it does best; we decide to escalate this fight by returning a favor and dropping several carriers and a Moros for good measure. What can we say? We came for the gudfights :)

Sadly, one of our Thanatos pilots landed too close to their neuting BSs and dies before being of much use to our fleet. The slugfest continues on for another few minutes as we kill a Megathron and some small stuff before we start working on the Archon for the grand finale.

At about this time, the fight escalates as Rote Kapelle jumps into the melee now creating a three way. RK realizes that Cal Mil only had a Archon, Damnation, and Dominix left. With no logi and next to little ewar left, it only made sense for RK to help us finish off these three ships. With the help of RK, all of the Caldari militia pilots are cleared off the field thus leaving two gangs left ready to begin...

ROUND 3

Again, RK resumes the fight on us at their preferred optimal .

FC> Deen, I need for you to...
Deen Wispa>> Already on it.

Again, I resume my job of being that pesky mosquito and try to land a new warpin on RK. And again, RK begins to send their small ships on me while webbing and targeting me at ridiculous ranges knowing that I'm the only ship left that would prove to be a threat to them. I get to the desired range and FC calls for the warp in on me. This time, we managed to kill 3 more Nados before their fleet would warp off again probably frustrated that a slow Armor BS gang could pull this tactic off.

They still had some alpha left on the field along with a Rapier and managed to come back in for Round 4. They killed another BS and I try to pull another warp in. They then warp off again. At this point, we were content to call it a draw as we were holding the field and still had our Guardians which could rep through what remained of their Alpha fleet. As we tried to scoop as much loot as possible on the field, we knew we just experienced an amazing adrenaline-pumping fight. The fistpumping and celebration on comms only further boosted our morale and helped alleviate the mindless structure grinding we were dealing with.

We loot as much as we can while performing an extraction of our cap ships thus leaving some loot to RK.

We head back to our rally point to regroup and reship to continue busting bunkers deep into the early morning in preparation for our upgrade day. The next thread is a summation of the Upgrade Day Battlereport.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#3 - 2012-08-05 01:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
2nd Battlereport:

The following is a thoughtful and exhaustive analysis of the current state of Gallente Militia and our Warzone Control.

























Today, we cashed out at T4. We're space rich and rolling naked in our isk.

That is all.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Hurtado Soneka
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-08-05 01:20:12 UTC
you can smell the cheese
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-08-05 03:05:18 UTC
Well written. It was a DAMN fun fight. I always thought a 3 way would make me feel dirty and used. Glad to see I was wrong!

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Jmam Anamamamal
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-08-05 04:17:37 UTC
Definitely the best fight ive ever been in.
PS - I was one of those nooby inty pilots that didnt know how to rolling warp in :)
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#7 - 2012-08-05 04:54:14 UTC
So this is what Jaf's been going on about. Shame I missed it, but hey man... Call of Duty.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Daiyu Tzu
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-08-05 09:05:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Daiyu Tzu
Deen Wispa wrote:


...lots of bullshit...



Properly fixed battlereport - http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=10289

You came to forums to brag about fight where You had more than twice numbers, and still managed to kill less and even loose capital. You are ********.


Deen Wispa wrote:
2nd Battlereport:

The following is a thoughtful and exhaustive analysis of the current state of Gallente Militia and our Warzone Control.

Today, we cashed out at T4. We're space rich and rolling naked in our isk.

That is all.


Congratulation on achieving what CalMil is going every 3 weeks.
You forgot to add why that happened - you had to flip all your vulnerable systems because minnie plexing alts are disappearing and this is your only chance to get T4 before you will be booted out to highsec. Congratulations you reached your top. Now it will be going down hill for you... fast and You know it Big smile CalMil (and Amarrs who will run out of plexing systems) will have great field for plexing now.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#9 - 2012-08-05 09:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Daiyu Tzu wrote:
Congratulation on achieving what CalMil is going every 3 weeks.
You forgot to add why that happened - you had to flip all your vulnerable systems because minnie plexing alts are disappearing and this is your only chance to get T4 before you will be booted out to highsec. Congratulations you reached your top. Now it will be going down hill for you... fast and You know it Big smile CalMil (and Amarrs who will run out of plexing systems) will have great field for plexing now.


And then it will swing back to our favour, and then back to yours. Thats how the mechanic works. Once you take all those systems back, do you honestly expect people to defensive plex 70-90 systems?. Ill assume you dont and at that point those systems will eventually fall back into vuln for us. Unless they ruin it and add lp for defensive plexing, at which point whoever has more plexers will win by default without a single pvp event making any difference at all.

Tbh we joked about 'TO THE FORUMS' when we hit tier 4 since it seems that every single battle caldari wins ends up in W&T, usually bolsterbomb, spouting some illy perceived nonsense.

Also, im good for a year with he assets i just acquired.

Also, u mad?
Daiyu Tzu
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-08-05 09:39:09 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


And then it will swing back to our favour, and then back to yours. Thats how the mechanic works. Once you take all those systems back, do you honestly expect people to defensive plex 70-90 systems?. Ill assume you dont and at that point those systems will eventually fall back into vuln for us. Unless they ruin it and add lp for defensive plexing, at which point whoever has more plexers will win by default without a single pvp event making any difference at all.


Do you honestly expect that taking of systems is related only to defensive plexing? Ill assume you dont.

Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Also, im good for a year with he assets i just acquired.


Bulls**ting, aren't we? Blink I already saw your post about your income where you mixed prices in past with prices in future with income at current moment to make from your wild fantasies some numbers that you will get at some point in future probably. You got no income from FW so far. Big smile When You will get ISK then came here and brag, just don't be surprised when you will be laughed at by much more rich caldari.

Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Also, u mad?


AMA TROLLL U DOMBA FAK. AMA TROLLIN Lol
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#11 - 2012-08-05 10:21:07 UTC
Gutted I missed that fight, but unlike some of the Gallente ugly ducklings like Daiyo, I need my beauty sleep to stay looking this good.

Nice write up Mr. Deen.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#12 - 2012-08-05 10:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Daiyu Tzu wrote:

Do you honestly expect that taking of systems is related only to defensive plexing? Ill assume you dont.


Of course it is, more defensive = less vulnerable system. In fact id say its directly proportional all things being equal. Thats the exact reason why homesystems are harder to make vuln, as people are defending. Do you even FW?

Daiyu Tzu wrote:

Bulls**ting, aren't we? Blink I already saw your post about your income where you mixed prices in past with prices in future with income at current moment to make from your wild fantasies some numbers that you will get at some point in future probably. You got no income from FW so far. Big smile When You will get ISK then came here and brag, just don't be surprised when you will be laughed at by much more rich caldari.


I already had far more isk than i stand to make from this lp drop. Also, as explained in the other thread, you constantly get terrible isk/lp for your navy items due to regular lp dumps. its not like the frequency of dumps means more isk anyway. Just have to wait longer between them for gallente which simply means more lp when the day comes. Also a longer time between dumps to allow the market to recover. For example, i sold my last lot of domis before the last upgrade day (when we hit lvl 3) to buy orders in jita for 500m a piece. That means that i made more isk/lp relative to tier 3 rates (though those domis were some i had hanging around since before FW update so were effectively tier 3 cost) than bolsterbomb outlined he made from caldari LP at tier 4 lol

Daiyu Tzu wrote:

AMA TROLLL U DOMBA FAK. AMA TROLLIN Lol


He mad!
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-08-05 11:45:11 UTC
Fun fight. Can't wait for next time
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-08-05 13:42:02 UTC
Daiyu Tzu wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:


...lots of bullshit...



Properly fixed battlereport - http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=10289

You came to forums to brag about fight where You had more than twice numbers, and still managed to kill less and even loose capital. You are ********.


Deen Wispa wrote:
2nd Battlereport:

The following is a thoughtful and exhaustive analysis of the current state of Gallente Militia and our Warzone Control.

Today, we cashed out at T4. We're space rich and rolling naked in our isk.

That is all.


Congratulation on achieving what CalMil is going every 3 weeks.
You forgot to add why that happened - you had to flip all your vulnerable systems because minnie plexing alts are disappearing and this is your only chance to get T4 before you will be booted out to highsec. Congratulations you reached your top. Now it will be going down hill for you... fast and You know it Big smile CalMil (and Amarrs who will run out of plexing systems) will have great field for plexing now.



POST WITH YOUR MAIN!!!!
PP

You see, he said it was from the Gallente point of view. So that means that Rote was not on our side. If there was a way to put a battlereport together that shows all sides, then that'd be cool.

Also, u mad bro?

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Daiyu Tzu
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-08-05 13:47:29 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Daiyu Tzu wrote:

Do you honestly expect that taking of systems is related only to defensive plexing? Ill assume you dont.


Of course it is, more defensive = less vulnerable system. In fact id say its directly proportional all things being equal. Thats the exact reason why homesystems are harder to make vuln, as people are defending. Do you even FW?



/facepalm
No it is not. It is relation of offensive pelxing to defensive plexing. And since amount of offensive plexers is MUCH hihger and activity also much higher then it related mostly to offensive plexing.
Do you even FW? Obviouslly you dont so gtfo Lol

Crosi Wesdo wrote:

I already had far more isk than i stand to make from this lp drop. Also, as explained in the other thread, you constantly get terrible isk/lp for your navy items due to regular lp dumps. its not like the frequency of dumps means more isk anyway. Just have to wait longer between them for gallente which simply means more lp when the day comes. Also a longer time between dumps to allow the market to recover. For example, i sold my last lot of domis before the last upgrade day (when we hit lvl 3) to buy orders in jita for 500m a piece. That means that i made more isk/lp relative to tier 3 rates (though those domis were some i had hanging around since before FW update so were effectively tier 3 cost) than bolsterbomb outlined he made from caldari LP at tier 4 lol


Most of frog dumps happens at tier 3 while most of caldari dumps at tier 4 which means that caldari get stuff TWICE more cheap (this only frog T4 happened because you crapped pants and panicked that you will never get chance to achieve T4 otherwise). Now go to fking market and compare prices. 2 Navy scorps cost much more that 1 navy domi. Are you even able to understand numbers? There is no way how you might get more ISK per lp. Fact that somebody in CalMil is bad at economy does not change fact that you are bulls**ter. Rest of you theory is funny but unfortunately not support by fact in any way.

Crosi Wesdo wrote:

I already had far more isk than i stand to make from this lp drop.


In other word you are confirming that you were bulls**ting and get no income from LP dump yet and that's just Your future hopes (except perhaps couple of your domis that you claimed that you sold).
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#16 - 2012-08-05 13:58:04 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Daiyu Tzu wrote:
stuff
He so mad he post with his alt!
Daiyu Tzu, as a member of the Federation, your alt should be happy for the Gallente Militia. /rp
Daiyu Tzu
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-08-05 14:04:03 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Daiyu Tzu wrote:
stuff
He so mad he post with his alt!
Daiyu Tzu, as a member of the Federation, your alt should be happy for the Gallente Militia. /rp



AIMASPAI P
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#18 - 2012-08-05 15:04:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Daiyu Tzu wrote:
Im unbelievably mad ~ paraphrasing damar alt.


There there now, It gets better.
Daiyu Tzu
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-08-05 15:37:33 UTC
Close... Big smile

Damar bite me. Shocked So as its usual with monsters when they bites somebody that person turns into copy of monster (vampires, werewolves, etc.).
Now I am slowly turning into DAMARRRRRRRRR Twisted
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#20 - 2012-08-05 17:07:19 UTC
Told you they'd whine about it. Squidlets are so predictable.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?