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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2681 - 2012-08-05 11:40:54 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
So whats the verdict on the final Exhumer stats?

Sure looks like a nice bait and switch. Greyscales' balancing adjustments seemed to go out the window and they more or less just went with the original iteration....


Personally, I'm quite happy with them... can't wait 'till Wednesday.^^

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Arkturus McFadden
Anukar
#2682 - 2012-08-05 11:43:14 UTC
You know, I sometimes get the views and likes column mixed up on these forums. I truthfully thought it said this thread had 28k + of likes. It baffled me until I looked twice!



Oh and also, I think it'll be awesome for mining barges to sit there and laugh as they traverse low sec in giant herds. It'll be fun shooting them too.
Dave Stark
#2683 - 2012-08-05 12:10:21 UTC
Arkturus McFadden wrote:
You know, I sometimes get the views and likes column mixed up on these forums. I truthfully thought it said this thread had 28k + of likes. It baffled me until I looked twice!



Oh and also, I think it'll be awesome for mining barges to sit there and laugh as they traverse low sec in giant herds. It'll be fun shooting them too.


why would any one go to low sec in a mining ship? there's nothing there worth mining.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#2684 - 2012-08-05 15:29:33 UTC
Hypercake Mix wrote:
Uh oh... thread is running out of gas.
Hmm...

Guess miners will now be PAYING gankers to get rid of other miners... and all those betrayal shenanigans too.

And... I just spoiled the surprise Oops


nope you are however going to see a lot more ganking as the gankers rework the isk/ vs potential drops/salvage worth of ganked barge to worth out what point it becomes economical again to gank mining barges, something in the CSM minutes iirc was CCP soundwave said was not intended, ganking is not supposed to be profitable though thats debatable/arguable with regards to trade hubs, but mining barges were not supposed to be profitable bar player bounties placed on them.
Pipa Porto
#2685 - 2012-08-05 18:47:44 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Well, I came up with a solution, that allows max yeild. Of course, I didn't start it with a quote, so touche.

Well some sacrifice, one of my alts, will have to be the frieghter, so both can't mine now. But perhaps I will save the ore in the station, till I am bored and naturally want to haul ore around. Maybe both pilots will be frieghters someday.


Red Frog or Push. Or Scout some more to find an equally backwater system with a refinery station and get standings, then you'll just have to do one hauling run every 1-2b ISK of minerals you mine (ISK value of your freighter cargo depends entirely on your risk tolerance) or set up a courier every 1b.

I'm trying to help you refine (Lol) your solution.


Sorry, but I lose ISK paying others to haul for me, though if I something better else to do, I would be tempted to. The 1-2 billion, could work, since I don't have more accounts. Kind of had a small hope, you pvpers would convince CCP to add more fitting options to freighters, as it stands now I will be forced to AFK haul or something.


How long does it take to run a Freighter to Jita? During that time, you can be mining more. So most likely, if you can make more than ~3-4m an hour mining, you'll be better off hiring someone else to do it. Also, you don't have to invest in a 1.4b ISK ship.

Just like Minerals you mine aren't free, time you spend isn't free.



Attempting to keep this thread alive single-handedly?
Face it, you simply want easy mode ganking noobs, and your bent over the fact that you can't have that anymore....
Go learn to fight real ships, it's much more entertaining. Cool



That was me trying to help Rodyas refine his method of avoiding Suicide Ganks. Good job with the reading.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#2686 - 2012-08-05 19:58:06 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:

That was me trying to help Rodyas refine his method of avoiding Suicide Ganks. Good job with the reading.


The sad part?
All this hard work we did, separating the idiots from the clever miners is going right out the window. Some of them were actually learning to make their Exhumers gank-resistant and raking in record ISK.

But now?
All those hard choices? Gone.

Now its 'gee, how much EHP can I squeeze out of this Max-Yield fit?

Balancing Yield with Cargo and EHP? Nope, too hard for miners.
CCP says: we are sick of listening to your whines when you gamble and lose, so we are making those decisions for you.

So CCP makes all miners 'winners' - and crush your income into the mud, as they balance around the lowest common denominator, and AFK mining, 50K EHP Mackinaws flood the zone. Roll
Shukuzen Kiraa
F4G Wild Weasel
#2687 - 2012-08-05 20:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Shukuzen Kiraa
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:

That was me trying to help Rodyas refine his method of avoiding Suicide Ganks. Good job with the reading.


The sad part?
All this hard work we did, separating the idiots from the clever miners is going right out the window. Some of them were actually learning to make their Exhumers gank-resistant and raking in record ISK.

But now?
All those hard choices? Gone.

Now its 'gee, how much EHP can I squeeze out of this Max-Yield fit?

Balancing Yield with Cargo and EHP? Nope, too hard for miners.
CCP says: we are sick of listening to your whines when you gamble and lose, so we are making those decisions for you.

So CCP makes all miners 'winners' - and crush your income into the mud, as they balance around the lowest common denominator, and AFK mining, 50K EHP Mackinaws flood the zone. Roll


So round up a couple more guys and kill them some more....damn man if you spent any time at all thinking of ways to adapt to the changes instead of all of your time whining about them you would see that you're still going to be able to kill the ones who don't bother tanking easily enough.
And give me a break "all the hard work we did"
Dude... suicide ganking untanked afk miners and bots is just about the furthest you can get from hard work. Adapt or quit, I prefer you quit. Not gonna ask for your stuff though...all your tears have soaked into everything you own and ruined them.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#2688 - 2012-08-05 20:23:59 UTC
Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:


So round up a couple more guys and kill them some more....damn man if you spent any time at all thinking of ways to adapt to the changes instead of all of your time whining about them you would see that you're still going to be able to kill the ones who don't bother tanking easily enough.
And give me a break "all the hard work we did"
Dude... suicide ganking untanked afk miners and bots is just about the furthest you can get from hard work. Adapt or quit, I prefer you quit. Not gonna ask for your stuff though...all your tears have soaked into everything you own and ruined them.


Its called, "providing consequences" for botting and AFK mining.

And yes, training miners to tank is very hard work.

They are very slow learners. It often takes 4 or 5 kills on the same miner before they figure it out.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#2689 - 2012-08-05 21:48:33 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
[...]

Balancing Yield with Cargo and EHP? Nope, too hard for miners.
CCP says: we are sick of listening to your whines when you gamble and lose, so we are making those decisions for you.

[...]



^^That^^ is the real problem here.

If I may say so myself, I think my sig. pretty much covers it.


Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2690 - 2012-08-06 01:08:03 UTC
Let me pose a Hypothetical for you OP:

What is your future in Eve if CCP removed all ORE faction vessels from the game?
Pipa Porto
#2691 - 2012-08-06 01:11:42 UTC
GetSirrus wrote:
Let me pose a Hypothetical for you OP:

What is your future in Eve if CCP removed all ORE faction vessels from the game?


Welcome to EVE 2004, where Mining is one of the more profitable pastimes in EVE.

Also, who's proposing that?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Shukuzen Kiraa
F4G Wild Weasel
#2692 - 2012-08-06 02:11:32 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
[...]

Balancing Yield with Cargo and EHP? Nope, too hard for miners.
CCP says: we are sick of listening to your whines when you gamble and lose, so we are making those decisions for you.

[...]



^^That^^ is the real problem here.

If I may say so myself, I think my sig. pretty much covers it.





I don't think CCP did it because people whined...otherwise griefers would be getting everything they want and then some since its all they do. They are rebalancing ALL ship classes...it was simply the barges turn. When a combat ship gets buffed next and people think its over powered....you all will have nothing to say other then "deal with it"
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2693 - 2012-08-06 02:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:
I don't think CCP did it because people whined...otherwise griefers would be getting everything they want and then some since its all they do. They are rebalancing ALL ship classes...it was simply the barges turn. When a combat ship gets buffed next and people think its over powered....you all will have nothing to say other then "deal with it"

Now if the buffed ship is somehow able to now go about ganking ~profitably~. Like, you know, the Catalyst buff. Maybe some Amarr BC will become the top ganking ship (with lazerzzzz)

Then they can whine.


Or, you know, ~certain blobbers~ might make fleets of the ship and soon the world degenerates into blobs of ~that one ship~.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2694 - 2012-08-06 02:25:21 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Balancing Yield with Cargo and EHP? Nope, too hard for miners.
CCP says: we are sick of listening to your whines when you gamble and lose, so we are making those decisions for you.

Oh that's a pity.

Now people won't be cargohold expanding their hulk, but they can still try to cram in the MLUs and use the rig slots for overclocks, right?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2695 - 2012-08-06 04:02:06 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:



Attempting to keep this thread alive single-handedly?
Face it, you simply want easy mode ganking noobs, and your bent over the fact that you can't have that anymore....
Go learn to fight real ships, it's much more entertaining. Cool



Well for good reason too. The OP came back and started discussin real issues. Was just being a good custodian.

Yeah the hulk stats look a bit weak really. Guess I shouldn't be surprised though. I fly gallente, and shouldn't have expected more then the gallente buff.

That said, it does depend on remote locations and how often they come for ganks. Gonna take me a while to get a final decision made. Just won't be risking a hulk until I see how things pan out.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2696 - 2012-08-06 04:22:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Now if the buffed ship is somehow able to now go about ganking ~profitably~. Like, you know, the Catalyst buff. Maybe some Amarr BC will become the top ganking ship (with lazerzzzz)


In case you didn't know Amarr ships are only good for showing off (statue shooting and such).

Alavaria Fera wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Balancing Yield with Cargo and EHP? Nope, too hard for miners.
CCP says: we are sick of listening to your whines when you gamble and lose, so we are making those decisions for you.

Oh that's a pity.

Now people won't be cargohold expanding their hulk, but they can still try to cram in the MLUs and use the rig slots for overclocks, right?


In case you didn't know some of the tank setups require ACR rig.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#2697 - 2012-08-06 04:24:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
[...]

Balancing Yield with Cargo and EHP? Nope, too hard for miners.
CCP says: we are sick of listening to your whines when you gamble and lose, so we are making those decisions for you.

[...]



^^That^^ is the real problem here.

If I may say so myself, I think my sig. pretty much covers it.





I don't think CCP did it because people whined...otherwise griefers would be getting everything they want and then some since its all they do. They are rebalancing ALL ship classes...it was simply the barges turn. When a combat ship gets buffed next and people think its over powered....you all will have nothing to say other then "deal with it"


You might have convinced me there (<---Sarcasm, OK? Sarcasm!)...Might have, except for one thing:

The so-called "griefers" (Read the EULA, please. It's not griefing, it's 100% legitimate gameplay in an open-world sandbox built entirely around non-consensual competition at all levels of gameplay) have been taking nerf after nerf after nerf in just my 3.5 years playing, with no sign of let-up anytime soon, with no corresponding buffs.

With possibly, if CCPGreyscale's utter pants-on-head drug-dream of a proposal during the CSM Summit is to be believed, even worse to come.

So where's the balance?

Or, Satan forbid new content, especially exclusive to losec? Because what we have, its age is starting to show, to put it mildly.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2698 - 2012-08-06 04:26:10 UTC
And now you are being griefed. Or have been griefed for the last 3.5 years. I don't know why you are complaining, escpecially since the EULA allows you "griefers" to be griefed.

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#2699 - 2012-08-06 04:31:10 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:


[...] Maybe some Amarr BC will become the top ganking ship (with lazerzzzz)

Then they can whine.


Or, you know, ~certain blobbers~ might make fleets of the ship and soon the world degenerates into blobs of ~that one ship~.



My testing has shown that the tank-fit barges will be weakest to Kinetics, though, secondary Explosive, at least for the Tech I barges. (Assuming 2x EM, 1x Thermic resist rig plus Invuln and DCU II)

Sui-Manticore and/or -Hound gank-squad, X up!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#2700 - 2012-08-06 04:34:56 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
So whats the verdict on the final Exhumer stats?

Sure looks like a nice bait and switch. Greyscales' balancing adjustments seemed to go out the window and they more or less just went with the original iteration....


Personally, I'm quite happy with them... can't wait 'till Wednesday.^^


WTF? I thought this was going in the winter expansion? Its a couple months late for this expansion?

Really? Its an INFERNO update?

Am I missing something?