EVE General Discussion

The only comment I have ever liked from a Goonswarm member. Bravo.

Buffing active armor tank still will not make me armor tank let alone active armor tank my brutix.

The brutix is meant to fly in and do lots of dps and melt the target.

With Armor tanking that simply is not possible. The brutix does not have enough grid to fit the big guns and the lows taken away

from mag stabs makes the brutix entirely pointless.

You want active armor tank, fly the myrmidon, but wait **** that. I'm gonna ASB shield tank my myrm and use the lows for more

damage mods for the guns and drones. Not only does it do more dps, but it has a superior tank than lololol active armor tanking.

Active armor tanking is crap. It has weak dps tank and it repairs at the end of the cycle.


I'd sooner put ASB's on my brutix than put armor repairers.

That is pretty good but a couple of things here. I don't really think a mid slot Dmg Mod is really that great, better slot balance maybe but not that.

Nerfing Heavy Missiles sounds good but it won't make medium long range weapons... well frankly good. LR Weapons eat up a ton of fitting while Heavy Missiles don't and as soon as you switch to longer range ammo your damage becomes a joke even on a Battlecruiser, worse for Cruisers. Heavy Drakes are putting out 360-420(Fury) at 70-80km while everything else is struggling to break 250 DPS at 50km. Nerf Heavy Range and people will throw 2 Range Rigs on the fleet Drake instead of CCC Rigs they use now on the their fleet fits and settle for 9ish min of Cap and we are right back where it started. I think they should just make Medium LR Weapons good partially through the weapons and partially through the ships that mount them.

As for the Cane I would want to see it get a 7th Turret and lose that Double Dmg Bonus in exchange for a focused bonus instead of a Grid Dump. Ditch that extra damage and along with ditching rig penalties that slow Armor Boats and giving the Harbinger a second good bonus its relevance will drop. Especially if there is a new line of Fast de-tiered Cruiser to compete in the skirmish role.

Just finished Large Blaster Spec 5. Loving Gallente ships, they're just awsome.

Why does it seem like the common drone boats (vexor, domi) are lower tiered than the blaster versions, when we're supposed to be drone using fools?

No they dont.

WTF is this thread about? You people are crazy.

-Liang

Lotta good thinking going on it this thread and my compliments to the well thought out arguments.

However I do fear the Galente may never be properly adjusted as a racial line when all of the above cannot even agree whether the basic problem is related to speed, guns, range, drones or tank.

I say tweak them all, make Galente uber over powered then come back and work on the other races to compete.

In the mean time, I will keep on maxing out my drone skills cause my spidey sense tells me that with the continuing noncompetitive nature of the Galente (in aggregate that is... certain ships/fittings are the bomb in their individual roles) that they are still not done improving drones as a weapon system.

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A few thoughts:

I really like the concept of blaster ships. I always have. I've used them extensively. There have been numerous changes that have crippled the use of blasters: massive HP buffs for ships (happened twice), DPS reduction to T2 ammo (huge peak DPS nerf), armor rigs and plates slowing down ships and ruining their agility. And on and on and on.

How to fix blasters in particular: increase peak DPS and swap shield/armor rig penalties, for a start. The range is less of an issue once you can murder your target up close. And you can get there, because you don't have 3x Trimark rigs crippling your top speed and acceleration.

The rest of it:

Even though missiles aren't "Gallente standard", I really feel that they're particularly suited for damp ships. I think that all damp ships should have missiles as their primary (and only) weapon system: Keres, Celestis, Arazu, Lachesis. The reasoning should be obvious. Damp ships should fight at the maximum possible range, exploiting their range bonuses for warp disruptors. At extended ranges, heavy missiles are much more relevant than rail guns with respect to total real world DPS. Include drone bays, but let's drop the turrets in favor of missiles please. It's a much better match. So what if you have to train up missile skills to use them? Other races have to cross train all the time.

Drone ships:

I love drones. I really do. Let's make drone ships highly specialized by really focusing on drones and giving them massive buffs to drone use. Drone speed bonuses, really big drone damage and HP bonuses (note: no gun bonuses), drone control bonuses, both for range and number of drones, drone bay size bonuses. Tier 4 or 5 BS with 5x fighters? Yes please! Drone microwarp drive bonuses that allow them to microwarp 100km to a distant target? Hell yes! Then we might actually be able to have 'drone sniper' platforms, using regular drones.

Buffing the armor rep bonuses on the Hype and Brutix won't change anything with how useful they are. And I've used the Hyperion extensively in my PVP career. The day I stopped using it was the day CCP implemented the web nerf and blasters could no longer track anything without using 3+ webs on the target. Nice job CCP. If only the Kronos had 35 sensor strength.... :(

Honestly they just need to make -one- Gallente ship fleet worthy. Shield-tanking a Brutix is just silly - it's bonuses don't hardly help worth a damn. The only fleets that field armor anymore are large Battleship fleets that field armor leadership bonuses.

Battlecruisers are faster than battleships, making them ideal for roaming and operating in enemy space (firing on TCU's) in case you need to get the **** out of dodge in a hurry. The Brutix is an active-armor tanker with increased damage (still not fixing the disparity between railguns/artillery), The Myrmidon is the only half decent ship with it's drone capabilities and generalized combat style, and finally we have the Talos which some say is just beast. I would have to agree - but none the less it's not a COMBAT ship, it's an ATTACK ship.

AHACs are very - very rarely used these days. Zealots mostly due to Scorch crystals having enough range to have some control over the field, but ships like the Deimos and Ishtar have no place in that sort of combat for two reasons.

A.) With the Deimos being quick - it lacks range control. It's either got ridiculous long range with near nothing in the DPS or danger close where it's most likely outside of operational fleet range.

B.) Drones are very high-maintenance and easy to kill. Throw five drones onto a target, they slap a webber on it, and put it down before you can react. On the assumption you pay attention and notice the webber on your drone, and decide to recall it? Congratulations you just put the drone's transversal at zero and lost it. Further more, you can't actively control them. They either orbit you, assist someone else, or attack a target. EVEN THEN they can all die by a single bomb or a pulsed smart bomb.

Then we have Frigates, which we won't go into.