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A Question for you Pl industrialists by a Dust514 beta-tester....
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Adoniah Carrefour
the Whatley Brothers
#1 - 2012-08-04 18:46:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Adoniah Carrefour
(edit: serious question asked in a tongue-in-cheek manner) .. would you crap your pants and rage-quit if Pl was only available through Dust514 assets?
Vito Tattaglia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-08-04 20:54:40 UTC
I imagine that would cause some people to quit the game, however it would cause an absolutely massive jump in the prices of PI goods, making us PS3 owners rejoice. :)
Adoniah Carrefour
the Whatley Brothers
#3 - 2012-08-04 21:09:23 UTC
What would be an acceptable form of Eve Pl and Dust planetary control interaction?
Adoniah Carrefour
the Whatley Brothers
#4 - 2012-08-04 23:35:02 UTC
Please for the feedback? I apologize if I was too flippant in my first post. We have a debate going on the closed Beta forums that I can't get into because of NDA but I really would like to know. I have never done Pl .. is it an important source of income for a large portion of the industrial base? Would its loss represent a game-breaker? Just looking for a little feedback to take home to my fellow Dust-Bunnies.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#5 - 2012-08-05 00:05:47 UTC
I'd actually be happy. I still own the means of exporting the goods on the planet... yet someone else can fuss over the details of restarting extractors.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Adoniah Carrefour
the Whatley Brothers
#6 - 2012-08-05 00:10:14 UTC
Even if it meant the occasional loss of your hardware to rival corps?
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#7 - 2012-08-05 00:15:49 UTC
Adoniah Carrefour wrote:
Even if it meant the occasional loss of your hardware to rival corps?


If that is a problem for me, then it is a problem for other PI corps. If I can gather a strong enough force of DUST players, I can maintain control of the planets my corp owns, split the profits with our dust players and enjoy sky high PI prices on the goods we all produce.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Adoniah Carrefour
the Whatley Brothers
#8 - 2012-08-05 00:33:56 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Adoniah Carrefour wrote:
Even if it meant the occasional loss of your hardware to rival corps?


If that is a problem for me, then it is a problem for other PI corps. If I can gather a strong enough force of DUST players, I can maintain control of the planets my corp owns, split the profits with our dust players and enjoy sky high PI prices on the goods we all produce.


This was my thinking as well. Do you rely on Pl for your income? Do you mind my asking the average per/hour income?
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#9 - 2012-08-05 01:56:03 UTC
I used to rely on PI for income, but now I rely on it for industry.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-08-05 07:22:48 UTC
heres the bigger question what happen when you take our pi's?

Easy we shot you ground pounding sry butts from space and no dust players should not have soul contral over pi's.

That and you cant land if we take your trasport out before hand.

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Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#11 - 2012-08-05 09:06:21 UTC
Adoniah Carrefour wrote:
Please for the feedback? I apologize if I was too flippant in my first post. We have a debate going on the closed Beta forums that I can't get into because of NDA but I really would like to know. I have never done Pl .. is it an important source of income for a large portion of the industrial base? Would its loss represent a game-breaker? Just looking for a little feedback to take home to my fellow Dust-Bunnies.


It sounds like you are asking from the point of view of people who don't or will only play DUST 514. Planetary Interaction (PI) derived materials are used to make a number of items in EVE Online but I think are primarily used to fuel POSes and for ship fuel to engage jump drives and compress ore in Rorqual ships. Therefore PI materials are an essential element for pilots in EVE Online so I don't think CCP will remove them in favour of only being able to source it from DUST mercs. Before Planetary Interaction was introduced I think PI goods were bought from the NPC market but I don't see CCP reverting to that or a similar situation. Especially as POCO(Player Operated Customs Offices) have been introduced and CCP seems to like those structures. Smile

If you read the DUST 514 related part of the CSM minutes which have just been released there are a couple of DUST 514/PI interactions mentioned there as ideas or proposals. Firstly that if EVE pilots set up PI operations on planets occupied by DUST 514 installations that there can be an increase in productivity for the EVE PI operations. Secondly that DUST mercs will be able to tax PI operations on planets they have set up installations on. On the latter point I hope this will relate to PI in low & nul-sec only as current Customs Office PI taxes in high sec combined with the limited resources there would drive the final nail into PI in high sec.
Mal Nina
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#12 - 2012-08-05 15:24:47 UTC
part of the issue will be were DUST is allowed to play. My PI is in a WH were dust is not scheduled to be played. If you give PI to dust players Then what about all those planets they are not playing on. I doubt there will be enough players for every planet in the game. I make good money with my PI so would be a bit upset.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-08-05 15:46:32 UTC
it would bother me if Dust did not include some of eve assets but I think what you are really asking is would it bother you if all PI assets were destroyable from Dust. Isn't that the point of planetary warfare? Now that said. there will have to be balance (either reward or longevity .. or no one will ever do PI again.. what's the point if as soon as you plant a factory planet side it's gone..?

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Haffsol
#14 - 2012-08-05 16:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Haffsol
I'm more concerned in how the POCO's will work after DUST and EVE will be merged. Will dust bunnies use "our" POCO to travel from planet to planet? In this case will the PI resources use the same one or will we have 2 different kind of POCO's? Will they become sort of claimable hubs to determinate who owns the planet?

PI resources are indeed part of the "dispute" about the changes that DUST will introduce in EVE, but you should also consider the changes that EVE will introduce in DUST, such as me bombing you all if you touch my PI installation Lol
Adoniah Carrefour
the Whatley Brothers
#15 - 2012-08-05 17:53:40 UTC
Many thanks for the replies. It was indeed the CSM minutes that inspired the debate. I do play Eve but only for the last year and I am entirely unfamiliar with the Pl mechanics (have barely scratched the surface of industry in general) so your patience is appreciated. My concern after reading the minutes was that Dust-Bunnies don't really control a resource in the game. Any resource at all. As well, according to the minutes the Bunnies have no impact on Sov. It sort of hurt our fweewings and so we have gotten to talking about ways we could have a meaningful impact on New Eden.

The point made that we couldn't actually control all of Pl because there simply isn't enough of us (and we will only be active on temperate planets for the first while .. AGAIN QUOTING MINUTES HERE NO NDA VIOLATIONS FOR THIS GUY) would mean that wouldn't work if we had full control. I suppose a tax and the ability to destroy or take control of planetary assets would make the most sense. You won't be able to bomb us unless there is a battle active .. at least as far as I know, which would require you to either have a stable of Dust-Bunnies or to contract some before the fiery vengeance could be rained. Also, Dust-Bunnies can't own or control hi-sec planets so the low yields would not be compounded by high POCO taxation and Dust Corps also taxing you. Anyhow, again I appreciate the responses. Any idea's on this aspect of Dust/Eve integration from you lot are welcomed.
Ooda
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-08-06 00:57:42 UTC
Well, if PI would be owned by dust players - it would be a horrible mess just because PoS-Fuels would become insanely expensive (they are highly needed).

Destroying them - well - could be annoyance, but for the money given of one day of PI, I could rebuild the whole stuff. Best idea is to let them destroy and loot the crap out of it. That way there would be a need to fight if you want to become healthy. (As an example: a full cycle of my PI is worth arround 60 mil a day with 3 chars). If you can raid PI-extremes a few days peer week - you could make insane ISK.
Zifrian
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-08-06 01:24:33 UTC
All depends on the future of POSs. If the new "mini stations" are fueled the same way and if the items needed to build them are like POS items now, then it would be an unwelcome change. Furthermore, T2 production would have to be drastically changed or PI materials removed altogether. Either way, it'd be a large nerf for 0.0 imo. I build items in 0.0 so I don't need to go to empire everytime I want an advanced laboratory or some crap. With T2, the addition of PI allows less shipping to 0.0 to build T2 (still has it's own set of problems but still, step in the right direction).

Too much of the game seems to depend on it. If they remove it all, then that would fix it but then what would be the point of PI items for Dust?

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#18 - 2012-08-06 15:35:02 UTC
PI isn't just for pos fuel.

Rocket fuel used to make all t2 missiles (scourge fury included)is a pi product. Given that a tengu pilot running missions could easily burn through 500k missiles a week, and that takes about 12000 rocket fuel, pi is important.

Every t2 missile launcher requires robotics.

All gyros and other turrets tend to need mechanical parts.

Warp scrams, disrupts, and webs require transitors.

Construction blocks are everywhere.

Pi is a vital part of many t2 components. That said, I doubt it would be purely dust's domain. First off, ccp would have to return all skill points set into pi or have a large riot. Additionally, many people have pi alts to make passive income. Losing those alts would hinder ccps bottom line depending if they are on paid accounts it not.

So yeah, pi is important to eve in general. As for dust... Eve is a big worlds. If some dust bunnies try to keep me from doing pi on a planet, I would move else where. There are plenty of planets out there.
Zicon Shak'ra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-08-06 16:56:10 UTC
nat longshot wrote:
heres the bigger question what happen when you take our pi's?

Easy we shot you ground pounding sry butts from space and no dust players should not have soul contral over pi's.

That and you cant land if we take your trasport out before hand.


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blood hauler
The Art of War
#20 - 2012-08-06 18:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: blood hauler
It would be like if ccp gave eve players control over dust players ammo supply.

The outcry from dust players would be huge
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