Ships & Modules

Loki/Proteus combo with the loki acting as the cloki.

I would like both cloaky. Do you mean Loki as prober?
The Loki and it's webs would be ideal but I'm concerned about potential NPC dps. Is an active doable? I know it's ALOT to put into a single package. Any fitting ideas?

Can't comment so much on Low/Null - but Wormholes:

I regularly fly a cloaky Loki for initial tackle on ships running sites in wormholes, I've found it will take a hell of a beating from the npcs in a c3 before it really becomes an issue, so with the right support ship you shouldn't have too much of an issue in killing a ship before you get forced to disengage. It will have more than enough buffer to deal with a ship or 2 for the time it takes to get your second ship into position so long as you keep on the move.

Just be careful which wave you are making the attack on, Sleepers seem to really like shooting the attacker rather than the site runner when you ambush them! I'd also definitely look for the second ship to have a neut or 2 for those actively tanked Tengus that you'll find all of the time as its a real pain to try and wear them down with just the dps of 2 cloaky ships.

Loki for initial tackle (easy to move into position whilst cloaked with its speed) - has the option of disengaging easily too.
Second ship, Legion with neuty subsystem, web/scram and maybe AB+AB bonus sub.

Loki and Prot would be better for PST ships that you'll see around though...




The combo I've found best is Loki + DPS/Neut Battleship hiding in an adjacent system (or with normal cloak)
Get into position in Loki, make the tackle - jump the BS in and warp in to kill the target. Typhoon works brilliantly for this :)

I use the following subs:

Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration

Mids are 2x large shield extenders, invuln, mwd + longest point you can afford.
Cloak and probe launcher in highs, then autocannons.
Gyros and tracking enhancers in the lows.

Rigs to taste, field extenders are good, ambit extensions for a bit more applied damage, maybe a speed mod to get into position better. Pimp as you see fit. I'd say MWD, Point and probe launcher are the things most worth making faction (or better)

Whilst the long web sounds really nice in theory I haven't managed to find a cloaky fit that really puts it to good use for what I want. Most PvE'rs won't be running MWD's so getting a Proteus/Legion on top of them to web them up close isn't going to be too much of an issue.

For what reason have you chosen the Supplemental Coolant Injector subsystem? I don't think I've ever found a good reason to use this over something else. I'd guess the idea is you can overheat longer for better stats - and the other engineering subsystems are only extra cap (your using a cap booster anyway) and you don't need extra grid?
- I've not got EFT to hand to check how it works out!


I've usually been ok scooping wrecks under fire from remaining sleepers on site - did so last night. The speed of the Loki means it avoids so much dps from C3 sleepers unless you are webbed a lot. But running active is an interesting idea, sounds like you still have a fairly solid buffer too. Might eft that one later. I'd consider a faction shield booster though - usually a nice gain to me made for a relatively low price compared to the cost of the ship.

as above cloaky legion prober with nuets , heck u can fit a nullifier too and still have 100k ehp+

dps probably prot for max ganking time .

then promptly Gtfo!

id also dual prop case u get baited ect.

do u really need t3 to gank carebears though (ok for macks ect.) if u wanna gank them in style I suppose thats cool, but kinda not needed in the majority of cases.

styleish none the less.

tengu loki probably has more gank and gtfo ability but lacks nuets, Ho hum whatever floats ur boat I suppose.

Yeh that makes sense, couldn't remember how the slots worked out.
Looking in EFT it works out pretty well in terms of tank, cap usage and holding point whilst orbiting. Shame about the dps though! :(

Dual Proteus get 1k dps between them and 100Kehp each.

/spends 10 minutes writing a post. Clicks submits. Watches as it disapears into thin air and not appear in the thread...
Load of crap.....




Anyway, I've found the main issue with Prot/Legion to be the lack of speed. it's caught out corpmates of mine a few times where they have struggled getting into point range of a target after warping into a site cloaked. Uncloaking will potentially scare the target away and rewarping will waste time. Here the Loki is really useful.

Previously I've been able to get in front of a target aligned to its own POS, then move towards them still cloaked, bump them (decloaking myself) away from being aligned and point them before they got a second chance.

Any combination should work nicely really, it'll just come down to what the target is. Only time we've been able to get point but not finish the job was jumping on a PST Tengu + Nighthawk in a pulsar system....