Warfare & Tactics

OMG PEOPLE HAVE TO USE THEIR BRAINS TO KILL SOMEBODY,
OMG PEOPLE HAVE TO STOP USING GENERIC FITTINGS,
OMG OMG THE WORLD WILL END SOON !!!!!

Seriously, how damn ******* stupid are you ?

people crying about asb should just quit, people only see something to ***** about instead of seeing the boost that shield tankers have been asking for the past 7 years

It wasnt really, and shield boosters on any other ship were just pointless unless you were doing pve, now a variety of ships can fit an active shield tank and everyone is bitching, please

I agree with your points, and definately when typicaly armour repping bs are going for shields then that may indicate something is wrong, but the whole point of the fitting screen is to choose how you fight and what you fit to gain better results.

The inverse of this for example would be the plated raven or scorp, to allow the pilot to better use his midslots. If armoured based ships are using ASB then he is freeing up his lows for either DPS or nano, and even then he is going to sacrifice a lot on gun size if hes running dual ASB.

Now, just because the ASBs are potent, you need to remember the counter to them is time, once those cap charges are gone a ASB will destroy your cap, a dual ASB obviously more so, now pilots need to test the waters with their fights instead of charging in balls to the wall, and it frightens them.

Am definately in favour of keeping EvE more tactical and less stupid, instead of crying over a frankly needed module, perhaps they could put their time into developing strategies to counter.

And yes, the likely inevitable counter would be to also fit ASB, and thats fine, we were all forced to fly armour bs and rifters and other FOTM crap for years, at least now pilots have a choice how to deal with it.

I believe your the one that was dropping actual DPS and Rep figures? Also since youve got the time to check out the killboards, go and find me the last ASB fit I used, so stop being stupid and trying to troll please. Infact Ill save you time, Ive used ASB once on a hawk experiment and it didnt fare to well, I use shield buffer actually.

I dont even use ASB but am willing to defend the module because its an option and I like having them, their is nothing wrong with it apart from the fact it takes a bit more brain power than your typicaly get to optical and F1 if you want to win it seems. Anyway your points are mute.

Problem is that it takes a long damn time to run out of charges, time your enemy will generally have spent shooting back at you. And unless you have a capless super rep you then tend to be at something of an disadvantage.

I hope CCP threw the module out as a beta for the concept, and as they roll out metas we will probably see some rebalancing. Requiring navy boosters, fiddling with number of charges held/rep amount/cycle time/reload time/fitting reqs, etc. The current iteration will presumably end up being the T2/faction level of the module.

I think the whole discussion about this module is hilarious because it's very easy to see that the modules clearly infringe on previous roles that other tanking styles have.

I've talked in more detail in another thread a couple weeks ago or something about how you can achieve more buffer using an ASB setup than a typical buffer setup--and I think some people have done the same in this thread.

This, in addition to the fact that the ASB module is good on LITERALLY EVERY SHIP IN THE GAME, including ships that have armor resist/armor rep bonuses (Brutix, Myrm, Hyperion) suggests to me, (and really should suggest to anybody who has any sort of insight) that the ASB modules are too powerful.

I think that the module itself, and the idea behind it is very good, sound and an asset to the game because it allows for people to micro manage the ASB and set up a situation where you fight for ~40 seconds, and then pull away and reload while you take less damage. But the way it stands right now, particularly with dual ASB (and even some single ASB fits), the module has single-handedly made typical cap booster + active shield tanking, buffer shield tanking, and active armor tanking obselete--they simply can't achieve the same amount of instant-tank and long term buffer.

Imo, the solution is not to limit the amount of ASB's that can be fit on a ship, but instead to increase the CPU and Powergrid on the modules (significantly) so that it almost becomes unfeasible to fit two of them on a ship without severely gimping the rest of the fit (more so than happens right now).

Another option is to decrease the reload time, but also significantly decrease the boost amount.

I too like spending huge amounts of cap on a module that isn't useful outside on anything but a supercap.

ASBs are the best thing that has happend to shield tanking in a long time; they actually made shield tanking relevant and widely used. Stop bitching because you are so terribad at PVP and can't learn to kite/counter. Neuts may not stop an ASB, but they will stop their active hardeners which will drastically reduce their tank.

Sorry, I haven't read the OP, so don't know what the thread was originally about. Started reading from the end of the thread here. But your post made me immediately think of some questions.

Before the ASB, shield tanking wasn't already in favor? Have you been looking at the eve-kill top 20? Mostly been shield tanking ships there for a while. This month is even more exagerated http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 Maybe some of the Oracles and Scorpions had plates. But probably half were shield fit. Last regular armor tanker on the list was the Abbadon. Yet even they appear to be falling out of favor.

CCP did not have a shield tanking problem. They had an active tanking problem. But really what's wrong with that. It's absurd to think any one ship should be active tanking a bunch of enemy ships. Poeple should be fleeted and using remote repping anyway as team play. And of the two active tanking modes, active shield tanking was already more viable. So it is a laugh that they felt the need to introduce ASBs. Meanwhile armor got a worthless adaptive hardener. This game will continue to be shield exclusive if they don't make some adjustments.