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The overpowered Drake sure dominated during the ATX... oh wait.

You are still confusing ubiquity with power. When it really mattered to get the most bang for the buck in the Alliance Tournament, the drake was almost completely absent.

Clearly not overpowered.

Just some ideas that stuck or I kind of iterated on:

1. Arenas – I hate the idea. Though it would be kind of fun, if CONCORD could be hired to secure an area and payed a fee for player organized arena events in High Sec. Which would include securing and warping in arena participants. The event fees would be payed by the organizer, who would either ask for participation fee, or make his/her revenue out of a cut from the bids and losses. Which would also require an ingame betting system. I hate the idea of arena because it would make people less interested in world pvp, and have seen it happen in other games, ruined a lot of pvp playstyles which were really fun.

2. Player organized events – My first idea is to integrate the in-game calendar with a notification system (the one you see when you enter the game on a character), which would also allow players to be able to register for events organized by definite in-game characters or organizations. Also the input would be a message board under CSM and CCP shared administration, which would allow both the CSM and CCP to select real events. The administration might not be required if CSM and CCP would only blog or mention in-game event generators, and players would search for them, instead of receiving news from all events in-game.

3. DUST integration in 0.0 - would have less concern from EVE players if Planetary warfare was connected to the Sov system in a way that certain criteria must be met before ground forces could be deployed. For example, first Sov 0 must be met and Sov control then could be accelerated if all planets are successfully invaded by the DUST corps or vica versa (if planets are not conquered sov changes could be slowed down), making a good DUST corp more valuable asset to a 0.0 corp.

4. Though instructional videos are very resource intensive, a new beginner video, when accessing the station could be a nice touch. I mean just guiding the new players through some images which they will see throughout the tutorial might give them the incentive to do it. Like you will enter the station, where you will have to find a ship, and then with that ship you will be shooting ships, mining, exploring and such, and then on a longer term you may see small scale battles, incursions, factional warfare, market and industrial control, and maybe big 0.0 fleets...these are the paths, choose wisely and remember to never cease to ask questions about things that you do not know or understand.

5. After the carreer missions there could be another mission, Finding the Right Place for you in New Eden. Which would take the new player through the possibilities of finding a new corp for the player. It would highlight what to look for in the corporation or alliances infos, and such, and also could guide the player to some of the most important information hubs and youtube channels on the Internet. Making new players see the diversity of the Universe may be very appealing to them.

6. Adding a like system to corp finder might solve the problem of CCP favoritism.

I do understand about the point system, that was actually the "buck" I was referring to. If the Drake is the most powerful then why weren't the tier 2 battlecruisers almost all Drakes? If they "punch" (or tank) above their weight class you'd still expect to see more of them fielded.

With Drakes and Hurricanes being tied obviously the Drake must be nerfed? Leave the tied winmatar Hurricane alone. It is true that Myrms and Harbis could use some help. Sorry, I'd have to say you've proved my point more than yours.

I think the balance team should stick with the current strategy and fix the broken ships and more or less leave the working ones alone. I don't think the nerf bat needs to come out, particularly since CCP rarely nerfs anything into balance, but instead almost always into uselessness.

Very quick points:

I love the idea of a battle recorder. I suggested something like this way back in 2009, at least I think that's a thread, there might be another. Anyway, give us a tool like this and let us do your advertising for you. Imagine the cool videos that could be made!



This. I love noobies and would love to help them if I could somehow be connected to them from out in 0.0. Noobie chat is ok for a few quick questions, but the speed the text goes by makes it impossible to give detailed answers nearly impossible.

Make gate guns do more damage?

Come on thats just BS. Have any of you ever lived in low sec?

Compare to 0.0 - No bubbles, No bombs, No jump bridges, we take sec hit and can't go into high sec, one party takes station or gate aggro that we have to tank plus it kills our drones.
Plus low sec status means we can't jump through to high sec or ccp will kill us.

What advantage do we have over anyone else? Looks like we have tremendous amounts of disadvantage when killing the crybabies. Plus the largest low sec corps and alliances are lucky to get 30 people on at once. We field caps all the time like 0.0 and they will come smash us.

So now you only want us to fight in belts? we can barely find fights on gates.

There are plenty of mechanics to bypass or get through gate camps plus warnings!

Try helping us and fix the lp store and market or make gate guns not shoot drones.

Bad thing about that is that it takes very long to address all the items one by one. Given how swift CCP is at balancing, making others BCs as OP as Drake will condemn HACs and CSs to a total misery for the next several years. But then they'll realise that battleships are in turn next to useless and should be buffed, too, which apparently will also require some time. I'd say just fixing Drake in several months is somewhat more in line with common sense, huh?

The purpose of the slot requirement is to require you to make a choice between two implants that are useful to your particular enterprise. Thus you have to make a choice between the Mining Foreman Mindlink (having your cake) and the Highwall mining implant (eating your cake).

I know, right? That's like their only argument, ever. vOv

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I really don't see what's wrong with one ship having an explicit role of "tank + moderate ranged DPS," or "tank + in-line-with-the average (and less than some) brawl-range DPS."

The other BCs should have a defined role of their own, and in turn be optimised for them.

Hurricane: Fast skirmisher/gank, brawl- to medium-range.

Harbinger: Heavy armour-tank, brawl- to medium-range DPS.

Myrmidon:

This is kind of a tough one.Versatility, secondary EWar/CapWar support maybe light RR support, good drones DPS (IOW, un-nerf it's bandwidth and drone-capacity), maybe with a bonus to drone-velocity?

Maaaaaaybeeee (/Me strokes beard)...fast extra-heavy tackle? Give it a point/scram range bonus, though nowhere near what the Recons have of course, trade that increasingly useless armour-rep bonus for something else--like armour hit-points and/or resists, and make it a bit faster.

Maybe re-tool the role bonus of the platform, eliminate that command-link fitting thingy for something overtly combat-oriented?

Buffs/changes + possible racial-philosophy orientated role boni (on the understanding that this is purely pulled from my arse, feel free to come up with your own):

Hurricane:

Chassis-boni fine and base stats fine as is, but role bonus: (X)% decrease in MWD signature-bloom

Harbinger:

Role-bonus: 50% reduction in medium energy turret capacitor use
Chassis: damage bonus as-is, 5% armour resists
Base: Needs more CPU for sure, and maybe slightly more grid.

Drake:

Role: 25% shield-resists
Chassis: 5% HM and HAM damage, 5% to missile velocity for those types
Base: Slightly more CPU, reduce signature radius slightly, increase agility slightly. Speed is fine.

Myrmidon:

Role: 50% Increase in drone MWD velocity
Chassis: 7.5-10% increase in warp disrupter/scrambler range, 10% drone hitpoints and damage
Base +1 mid slot, somewhat faster, much more agile, un-nerf bandwidth and drone capacity.

wait do people actually think that HACs and command ships are eclipsed by drakes

Thank you for the clarification Hans, it is still quite concerning that we're not getting proper player corporations in Dust until 2013 and the nul-sec integration. And the implication that "Dust players can't handle EVE's broken corporation tools" is frankly insulting (as you'll probably know if you've been reading the Dust Forums).
The simple fact is that EVE's corporation tools are broken, maybe making them more intuitive and usable as part of the process of opening them up to the dust players should be a priority.

Dust needs player corporations at release. It doesn't matter what their relationship to EVE corporations is to begin with, but the ability to form them has to be there. As I've said elsewhere this is fundamental.