EVE General Discussion

You've missed the point entirely. This isn't about what's fair or not. This is about people bitching that lowsec is dead. People have stated time and time and time and time again that they are afraid of gate campers. I hear it EVERY night. CCP tries to apply a fix to gatecamping to get people to move out of High and into Low, and they ***** more.

I understand the problem which the OP has.
But it's a general problem of EvE and how it works.

Just two points:
1) you fly in a bubble which is 500*500 km (grid) and even Belts which are just 0,1 AU in distance are to far to travel without warp.

2) no collision detection. You can shot through Asteriods (HARD ROCK), Stations, other Ships and all the stuff which make fights tactical in other games. It's funny, that you can bump ships, rocks, stations ... but your weapons ignore them ALL.

First problem could be solved by makeing grids bigger like 2000km*2000km.

Second problem is easy to solve too.

But both problems can't be solved as CCP wanted to much with fights 1000 v 1000 v 1000 as they happen sometimes. The pur CPU power which woud be needed ... isn't invented till now ;).

Second problem (collisions/line of sight) is easy to WRITE a solution for, but if you know anything about computer science you know about the efficiency issue.

Such as?

You idiots railing about gate fight do realize we aren't on the gate before or after the fight? you sit off the gate in a safe ( where even the new guns wont do ****) we warp in when the cloaky scout says there is a ship landing we tackle you kill and pod you and then warp out this usually takes less than 1 minute so by making the guns start weak and get strong you're actually HELPING the people you want to get rid of.

I've been all around EVE (except player null). I can say that only once have I encountered PvP on a gate. And it was my fault because I didn't plan ahead.


Plenty of other places though.

I see you don't get the concept. Let me elaborate:

1) You engage at a POS in low sec, for this example you're in a Guardian. You happen to be +5, enemies drop on you and you're repping you friends that have eaten GCC. Fight occur, at the end of this you're somewhere between -10 and -5 sec status. Fight is over, you're chilling 15mins+ in station, have bio etc before moving home (so in normal scenario today, GCC would be gone).

2) Your fleet is moving home. Now, with the new mechanics, being -5 (or flipping a can) means you are automaticly a "suspect", so gates will fire on you even if you don't have a fresh GCC. Unlike today, when they don't.

3) With new mechanic, not only will gates kill a triage carrier in 4,5min, guess how fast they will kill your Guardian/Cruiser hull? 30 seconds? 45? And when your fleet jumps through a gate, hello there, a couple of frigs from FW sees a chance to get a bunch of easy kills. You're a "suspects" and these frigs happily web and point you so you can't make it back to the gate. You will die before your slowlocking battleship friends can save you, and you couldn't have frigs of your own as they would die to sentries even faster. Unless you bring an army of neutral frigs/jammers just to keep your fleet safe.

The only reality this will bring is:
a) Either you purely go around by cyno if you are below -5.
b) ..or you simply never drop below -5. You'll have to avoid shooting POS, or POCOs, or flip cans, etc.

People who claim "don't fight on gates", well then Einstein, where are we supposed to fight? We can't drop sec, because that'll make us unable to travel through gates. So no shooting of structures, no first-aggression, no ganking missionrunners (if you even find one), etc. You'll have to hope you find someone else that was brave or stupid enough to go sub -5. If you flip a can you get a 'suspect' mechanic that makes you unable to travel (and probably visit stations) too. So you have to flip your can in belts, and afterward you have to fly around for 15mins+ I guess for your suspect flag to go away.

TL;DR the only ways for future lowsec combat:
> FW
> Wardec
> flip cans, and then expect to sit around in space for 15min+, i.e. super-slowpaced PvP with very little action, most likely noone can be arsed with this so you won't even find many targets either

To be fair, we should insult Greyscale less for this, you'd think people on the CSM would be smart enough to understand this as well. Obviously they ain't, so we should be quite worried overall, and point less fingers at specific individuals.

Not sure if troll or serious lol...

If in fact you're serious, then I reply as follows:

The reason gate camps exist is due to poor game design by CCP. If there were a more efficient and effective way to entrap targets, then the best/brightest players would use said techniques. As it sits, the current game design **PROMOTES** gate camping, with everything else being a poor second choice.

A long while ago, there were various aggro mechanics and war dec loopoholes that allowed enterprising players to take advantage of the less educated and/or intelligent. CCP has seen fit to remove anything and everything that allows more intelligent players to kill the stupid ones through creative means.

In summary: you clearly have little to no real experience when it comes to PVP. If you did, you would realize just how ridiculous you sound.

Now, if CCP removed local...

Gate guns shooting outlaws and 'suspects' is bullcrap too. Gate guns are lowsec's version of Concord. What is the point of having them open fire on people for looting or canflipping?

I mean, so now when you suicide gank a hauler in highsec, not only does looting the wreck allow anybody to engage you....
but the gate guns open fire on you as well? Seriously? So if some vulture decides to engage you, you can't even really fight back properly because the gate guns roast you before you can even defend yourself.

Crimewatch = poop.

I don't go to lowsec because it is a waste of time. If you want to kill anything of value, you do it in highsec.
Flying around for hours and blowing up a 1M ISK Rifter is simply not a productive use of my time - when there are 300M ISK Hulks ripe for the ganking in highsec.

But its pretty clear that this is simply another kick in the nuts to non-consensual PVP.

People engage on gates because
A) its one of the only places that people 'go'.
B) its the only way to defeat 'local radar'.

OK, pirates are supposed to hang out at planets and in belts now. Great. That will be productive.

The only people that are cheering about this are the carebears who reflexively dislike non-consensual combat "because its mean."

If CCP and CSM really go through with something like that, that'll be the proof they have last the final connection with what this was/is about. Even tho these new devs have been way too blob- and carebear loving, and iteration is nearly non-existant, some game balancing they have done has actually been quite decent. The core essence in the game has not been killed off, even tho the economy has been a major threat, and smallscale PvP has suffered repeatedly. The core game is still there.

But a change of gategun and security behaviour like the one described, would be truly detrimental for this game. I really hope neither devs or CSM is really that shortsighted. I'm one of those who actually hope this game will live on for another ten years. To begin with. Even tho dev perspectives seems to rather see things in ~1 year profits.