Crime & Punishment

Reading the CSM notes, it seems that once again pirates take one from ccp up the jacksy

"CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage, and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2 minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle, and then a warp out."

So there goes low sec gate camping... so if your a pirate i would suggest start looking for a new career mode..Whilst every pirate accepts that gate guns are way of life, making so you can't tank them means making low-sec a future carebear haven.!.


We need more clarification in that does the "ramp up damage" reset after the guns recycle or does it just stay at the level that you last got.. If it resets then gate camps wont be majorly effected just solo hunters.

Given it would take 4.5mins to pop a triage carier then what sort of DPS will be put out...

Just to say be prepared to see lots of big ships killed by lil frigates/interceptors on gates lol :)

Another classic case of someone failing to see the big picture.

Ask yourself, what is the purpose of this change? Really think about it. Put that grey matter to use.

If you think the change is to encourage players to venture into lowsec, than you'd be correct. Lowsec pirates have been complaining for quite a while now that lowsec is empty. Nobody wants to go there anymore. The risk vs reward ratio is heavily tipped towards risk with feeble rewards.

Now low and behold CCP is changing gate guns in an attempt to discourage 24/7 perma-camps and to encourage highsec dwellers to venture beyond Concords protection.

So what does this really mean for lowsec pirates? It means there will be more targets to shoot at but you'll have to work for them.

So will we be finally able to enter rancer?

it is all too clear why the s that think this change will lower the entry barrier are posting on faceless alts. Its like you dont even understand the mechanics that are getting you caught

Piracy does seem to be one of those things that gets harder with every change and CCP seems a little out of touch with piracy in general. But on the flipside, if gate guns don't insta-pop small ships anymore, it means more opportunities for pirates out looking for genuine profit to try zapping indys and lone ships at gates in cheap throwawy crap.

Have you ever heard of 'pounce camping'?
It's a method currently employed by (among others) gatecampers under GCC that do not have an active tank or logi support. The idea is you sit like 1000km off gate at a bookmark, aligned and ready to warp if the scout reports incoming.

If the gate gun change goes through as planned, we will still be able to do this. In fact all camping will become like this. It's just as easy to accomplish as a regular camp and has essentially the same effect for the victim (by the time you've completed jump and loaded grid, the camp has already landed in position)

The other alternative is the cloaky camp, usually done with proteuses (protei?) and rapiers, employed when victims are suspected of having their own scouts. A friendly scout is again used to notify of high value targets coming to the gate so that everyone is prepared and decloak delays are eliminated. This would become ideal with the new system, after a kill is made the camp warps off, cloaks, warps back to the gate at range while GCC'd.

Camps will still happen, they will be just as prevalent as they are now, they will simply be harder to detect as they will be off grid or cloaked.


Random fights however, the bread and butter of lowsec PvP, will cease to occur.
When we get 3-4 guys together in BC's and go for a roam, say 10 jumps out, we'll be most likely to be fighting anything we find on a gate, it'll usually be one or two BC's, maybe another small gang like us. It's just a fact of EVE that people aren't stopping in lowsec to smell the roses, they're on their way through it to get somewhere, be it a high sec or null, be it PvE or trying to find a fight of their own.
The gates are where the small gang fights happen, and personally all of the really good small/medium fights I've been in have been escalations (usually on stations) that at one point or another involved someone committing to taking GCC with no chance of docking, jumping or warping. That simply won't happen in the new system, people won't engage at all with sentries around. Nobody is going to throw down the metaphorical glove and take it to a planet either, because everyone knows It's A Tarp

Make gate guns superpowered death rays and you will eliminate the essence of lowsec. The only PvP will be gate camps and probing out stupid mission runners. That sounds absolutely fracking horrible.

I'm not super concerned about this, as long as the gates don't shoot at you simply for being under -4.9 when you have no GCC. That would just be ridonkulous.

Personally, I feel gatecamping is for amateurs who are either lazy or don't know the first thing about hunting targets, or as a defense against an incoming gang. There's rarely anything satisfying about killing someone on a gate, especially someone who just can't fight back. If you're doing it for a quick injection of ISK every now and then, fine. Otherwise it takes the fun out of being a pirate, having to scan down your target, set traps at sites they are running, etc.

The counter arguments always make me laugh.

Arguing against the gate gun change is like Republicans arguing that gay marriage destroys society. They can't say how it destroys society nor provide any tangible facts, they just rage and continue to make wild claims.


And for those of you paying attention, yes indeed I used a gay metaphor in a thread entitled Pirates Take It Up The A$$.
A bit cheeky but funny none the less.

10 out of 10 bunnies approve this change. Gate camping is a cowardly way to pvp and has ruined low sec.

lol, having played the game since it launched (with breaks of course) I have spent alot of time in low sec so I will feel free to say whatever the heck I like. Perhaps you are one of those brave gate campers?