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At this point the only thing that really concerns me about the changes is how this is going to affect the usage of low slots on mining barges and exhumers. Unless expanded cargohold modules are updated to have even just a minimal impact (say 5%) on ore holds they are going to be rendered virtually if not absolutely useless on any and all non-combat mining ships. Likewise the overall reduction in hull HP values, despite the overal increase in armor and shield HP values, makes me wonder just how useful damage controls will be for increasing EHP, as a percentage and not an absolute value, when compared to current numbers.

Frankly, I don't even understand why these ships have such low hull HP values given that ORE ships all currently favor Hull as the HP sink of choice. Does this herald a change to all ORE ships that will result in, for example, the orca's hull HP being reduced while it sees a significant increase in armor and shield HP values or is this just a somewhat arbitrary change in light of "standard" ORE ship design?



Well, presuming that the mining turret statements are typos the skiff and procurer will sit there, mining around as much as a covetor with mining barge 2 (which yes, I know, is technically impossible) would right now and being very, very hard to suicide gank while packing more cargo into it than it currently can now.



Why isn't the overload automatically transferred? Given how much the standard cargo bays were nerfed this would have been a nice bone to toss ore miners.

Also have ice harvesters been fixed so that they no longer shut down prematurely compared to mining lasers and strip miners? It gets pretty annoying fairly fast to have, for example, an 8km3 cargo mackinaw and have your harvesters shut down after just two cycles if you don't dump your cargo between cycles while having 9km3 cargo allows the harvesters to function just fine and continue to initate potential "partial cargo" pulls.



No, he isn't. He's just min-max'ing. This is EVE after all. If you aren't min-max'ing you're playing Hello Kitty Online.

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Insofar as the proposed/intended changes to the standings transactions window go, I have to agree that removing information from the players' hands, even if it's just relating to NPC corporations, is a bad move until or unless the tooltips for the transactions window itself can pick up the slack by displaying more, and more accurate, infomration regarding what caused the transaction in question.

Edit: On a secondary note these changes to the inventory UI will be somewhat underwhelming until I can drag/drop fitted modules onto the ship hangar to have them transferred to my item hangar again, double-clicking on ships in the ship hangar opens them up instead of making them my active ship again, and I can stop worrying about the ship hangar section in the list view pane automatically expanding any time it feels like it regardless of whether or not I want it expanded. Ever.

I messed up, I didn't realize they were used for NPC standings. I'll fix it as soon as I can on Tuesday (Monday is holiday). If you'd file a bug report it would speed up the process (F12 - bug report). Thanks!

This is covered in the mining barge dev blog bit at the bottom... would linking that dev blog in the patch notes be enough (same as the devblog about the attack frigs)?

Skills

Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war.

Are we getting skill points reimbursement? This skill will become pointless to me after the change!

Thanks

Jay

Ah, so both plate HP increase and SD removal are on the way despite the player feedback and without even bothering to elaborate?

Nice to see good old CCP back!

Stupid Devs are stupid.

Come on CCP you can do better than that...

"The 'Rampart' Kinetic Plating I has been renamed to Experimental Explosive Plating I, and now gives an explosive bonus; previously the 'Rampart' plating had identical stats to the Experimental Kinetic Plating I, and there was no corresponding Explosive plating with the same bonus."

So make a corresponding one for the one that was missing, as opposed to renaming one that exists to reduce the possible trading price etc...


"T2 armor plates now have better HP that the Meta 4 plates. Previously there was no advantage in using the T2 plates."

What about the price? Skills? Ease of getting hold of them?

Well hell, by all means change them, it will make my Bhaalgorn even more of a brick wall...


"Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war."

OOOH. Skill point reimbursement.. Sweet thanks CCP.



The mining barges will have the cargo holds changed... Will the rigs get dropped into my hangar that were on my hulk that are going to be rendered COMPLETELY useless now? Or will the rigs work for the ORE holds?

Cause if they are not going to work on the ore holds then I cannot see how less than 400m³ is going to be heavily improved by 2 cargo hold rigs...



Apart from those glaring mistakes I find it looks ok.

Nice.



One thing to note though. What kind of illeterate **** wrote them? I have seen in almost every category a problem with either spelling or missing words...

Now if he is dyslexic then fine I apologise, however I would then have to ask what the hell is he doing writing patch notes?

In the respect that rockets are actually like miniature torpedoes... (Unguided missiles) You are bang on there...

This is something that is beyond Awesome If it works as you say that is

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I agree completely. (And yes, I've read the dev blog on the subject). Though if some of your crystals are used, it's really going to be more like only 3 ore types total if you want to be mining a specific ore for any length of time. For mining in grav sites this is a serious handicap.