Warfare & Tactics

As a Tech 3 user, I can personally say that they make excellent small gang ships and excel at wormhole pvp.

But I question why alliances like -A- like to field T3 ships in large fights where alpha and damage projection are king.

A tengu is cost equivalent to 7-10 drakes. It becomes even more expensive when you have to fit faction/deadspace mods to maximize on the ability of tech 3.

In large fights, unless you are flying in a supercapital ship, you will almost always be instantly killed by the alpha strike of the

enemy fleet. It would be much less painful to lose a Battlecruiser than it is to lose a Tech 3 ship.

Nullsec fights seems mostly about isk efficiency when dealing with large numbers. Tech 3 ship are fairly expensive and go against this doctrine.

You would need a 7:1 kill ratio to break in even isk war. All it seems to be is that you're feeding kills and isk to the enemy.

Other than the proteus the other T3s do not provide a much higher dps.

A pvp fit Tengu only has 5 launchers due to lack of powergrid, it will only do a small bit more dps than the drake. With shield extenders, rigs, and tech 2 missiles, your sig radius balloons quite a bit.

We're talking about fleet fights where even carriers get one-volleyed, a tech 3 will not survive that.

The proteus is rarely used like many gallente ships due to poor damage projection.

The legion does only 10% more dps than a zealot, sig radius is about the same, and tank is not vastly greater.

The loki has less dps than a well-fitted hurricane. Its web bonuses are inferior to a rapier or a huginn that a fleet would usually have(lacks the mids to do long web and shield).

I have no desire to risk something expensive if the enemy won't do the same. I have no intend of feeding the poor and dumb scrubs.

Tengus also have greater range than drake.
DPS is a LOT higher, not a little, and the tank isnt even remotely comparable.

Please. Understand what Tech 3s are for before posting.


USES OF TECH 3 SHIPS IN NULLSEC LARGE SCALE WARFARE;

(Thunder Cats)
Tengus
Huginns
Lachesis
Scimi/Basi
Other Standard Jazz

(Hellcats)
Abaddons
Tackle Lokis
Tackle Proteus
Guardians
Oneiros
Other Standard Jazz

(ABHACS)
Zealots
DPS/Tackle Arty Loki
Tackle Proteus
Guardians
Oneiros
Other Standard Jazz


Basically

Tengu; Massive Projection, good alpha, decent dps, massive buffer, incredulous resists, small sigs.
Loki; Huge tanks, Long range webs, Good DPS/Projection with arty in AHAC Gangs.
Proteus; Huge Tanks, Long range point/scram.
Legion; Fancy AHAC, Neuting, Meh

Other small gangs stuff, and stuff I have no doubt missed.

I've flown in Tengu fleets and they were the only type of ship composition that could handle being out numbered rather significantly. Also tengu fleets managed very well when supers were dropped on them since they are impossible to track with titans and fighter drones.

T3 fleets to me is the answer to being out numbered. 100 man tengu fleet can take on a 300-400 man drake fleet without much trouble and minimal losses. Smaller alliances should invest in t3 fleets more than they do.

OP is right, what are these dumbos in nullsec thinking. T3s are terrible!

In my experience, OP is right. Artylokis without any damage mods are not very effective, and the 100mn shield version didnt prove much better.

The amount of isk something costs adjusts with inflation and deflation as currency is a simple placeholder for: labor and commodities. How much isk is in the economy has no effect on the ability of most people to purchase a ship as buying power changes with inflation.

tl;dr the amount of isk that exists has no large effect on the amount of commodities (e.g. minerals) that exist

The only problem with that line of thought is that some things have a fixed ISK price. Few examples, mission rewards, NPC bounties, LP store, sovereignty bills. Therefore if the value of ISK was to drop 10x, sure, a Drake would still cost roughly as much as the materials needed to make the Drake, but it would take you 10 times longer to run missions to afford the Drake. Conversely, compared to the cost of holding sov, you could afford to lose ten times less Drakes.

You need to look at how many Tengu's are actually lost during these fleet battles. AAA has had some good results with them.. Guess it depends on the FC....

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