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Skill Unlocks: Dumbing Down EVE For a New Golden Age?

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Rengerel en Distel
#21 - 2012-08-04 00:42:51 UTC
The first thing people generally tell new players is to get evemon, eft, or similar 3rd party programs because the ingame stuff is so bad. It's pretty obvious from the csm minutes that CCP is trying to integrate a lot of those features in game.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Hammer Borne
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-08-04 00:55:39 UTC
How could anyone be against more information in the interface related to skills and other non-combat intel? What the heck is wrong with you, OP?
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#23 - 2012-08-04 00:58:09 UTC
Adalynne Rohks wrote:


Have you made a single post in the last 2 weeks, where you haven't been crying about something?


I know right? Even his ava pic conveys a sense of him always being right, being whiny when he's not, and looks down to pretty much anyone regardless. The wrinkles in his face have burned in a look of perpetual disapproval and disdain for everyone and everything.

The Drake is a Lie
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#24 - 2012-08-04 01:00:27 UTC
Pankas Carter wrote:
I fail to see how this will matter to anyone who doesn't want to use it.

EDIT for you EDIT:
Yea, because it totally make sense to make corporation management racist by default. I'm glad that's going away.


This dude has it totally right. What is so wrong about making a better tutorial to increase game particupation? The original tutorial was not exactly the most user friendly experience.

Not every change is "dumbing down". Sometimes thing were worse the old way and are in need if an update. That is what you alway hear from the elitists though. Sometimes change is good. Stop being a contrarian.
Lord Arakkis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-08-04 01:03:41 UTC
People fall into one of two camps on this. The "Eve is hardcore, should stay hardcore cause CCP thinks we are smart" camp, or the "Eve is great and everyone should get to experience it" camp.

Personally, im new to PC games and MMOs in general and part of the draw of this game to me is that things arent laid out in a nice neat tutorial for you. It fosters stepping out into the social pool for help from players and doing your homework by reading the numerous materials you find online.

Whichever you are, I dont see anything here that threatens your individual play experience. In fact, Id think some people here would joy at the opportunity to either help some new player or help relieve them of their ISK. '

Cant please them all.

Your still a child in the eyes of the universe
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#26 - 2012-08-04 01:07:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Dyvim Slorm
Speaking as a bittervet Big smile it seems a sensible enhancement to me.

Eve does have a steep learning curve, anything that makes it more accessible to new players is an enhancement, not dumbing down.
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#27 - 2012-08-04 01:20:24 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
I don't get why people object to these kinds of changes. It doesn't dumb the game down a single bit unless you think that EVEMon is a crutch.


because new is bad.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#28 - 2012-08-04 01:43:09 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
'I had to crawl over broken glass and minefields in a blizzard to learn how Eve worked, all new and future players should be similarly punished and discouraged from playing'

OP is dumb. Don't be dumb, OP.


Relevant to the OP's stance on change

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-08-04 01:44:39 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
'I had to crawl over broken glass and minefields in a blizzard to learn how Eve worked, all new and future players should be similarly punished and discouraged from playing'

OP is dumb. Don't be dumb, OP.


Relevant to the OP's stance on change


What a coincidence, here's the Eve forums Big smilehttp://youtu.be/QTQfGd3G6dg

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#30 - 2012-08-04 01:48:15 UTC
Denidil wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
I don't get why people object to these kinds of changes. It doesn't dumb the game down a single bit unless you think that EVEMon is a crutch.

because new is bad.

Should have to hardcore check all accounts every 24 hours or write down when the next skill finishes training Shocked

Nah.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#31 - 2012-08-04 01:49:13 UTC
Monty Python, providing amusing videos for every conceivable occasion since 1969

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#32 - 2012-08-04 02:01:15 UTC
This information is already available in third party programs. All CCP is doing is making it not necessary to get another program to do this specific thing.

Just like it wasn't dumbing down when they added DPS split between drones missiles and turrets into the fitting window.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-08-04 02:05:30 UTC
There really is nothing that Eve-Online players won't whine about. They'll even complain about the UI offering more information than it currently does.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#34 - 2012-08-04 02:09:49 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Natasha Mendel wrote:
Quote:
Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war.


This is a good thing. I've never understood why corp CEOs are inherently racist.



Read the old lore and chronicles from the beginning of EVE. Empires don't exactly trust each other.


This, and don't forget depth and consequence.

John Hancock
Kitfox Mikakka
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-08-04 02:29:31 UTC
Seriously, holy crap. Something like this back when I started in the fall would have been really awesome, and the removal on racial member limits for corps is only good. There's a difference between dumbing things down and removing stupid terrible legacy cruft that's accumulated over the years.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-08-04 02:32:20 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
This, and don't forget depth and consequence.


yeah a skill that restricts the people you can recruit into your corp based on what they selected when they started their characters adds ~depth~

heh, please

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-08-04 02:50:03 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Natasha Mendel wrote:
Quote:
Ethnic Relations skill changed into Diplomatic Relations and theold effect is replaced by a new one that decreases cost to hire allies in war.


This is a good thing. I've never understood why corp CEOs are inherently racist.



Read the old lore and chronicles from the beginning of EVE. Empires don't exactly trust each other.

No they don't but players are hardly Empires. The skill just forced CEO's to be racist, until they trained not to be.

Hell you can have that skill at 5 and still say "Nope sorry no Minmatar slaves are joining this corp."
Not really a lot of point in it, It should be more of a CEO's choice not a skill book.



IT can still be the CEO's choice even with this skill trained.

A Caldari CEO could accept all Caldarian & Amarrian applications, but still refuse all Gallente & Minmatar ones.
There are probably RP corps that do just this.



For the OP.
Dumbing down the skilltree, would mean lowering access requirements for Skills & Modules, as this is not happening the skilltree is not being dumbed down. Clarity and ease of access are not the same thing.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#38 - 2012-08-04 02:57:58 UTC
I agree. Show info should be removed because it's dumbing down the game.

If people can't be bothered with doing extensive tests of all equipment to discover all stats empirically, they should just gtfo. Oh, and sharing that information on the web would also be dumbing down the game — it should be a bannable offence to show your research to others.

In fact, anything above pencil and graph paper should dumbs down the game and should be cause for immediate expulsion as well. Nothing has dumbed down the game as much as Excel.


Roll
Unless the OP has never used EFT or EVEMon, and has never read any kind of EVE resource on the web, he should pipe down about people not being able to do research.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-08-04 02:59:42 UTC
Hammer Borne wrote:
How could anyone be against more information in the interface related to skills and other non-combat intel? What the heck is wrong with you, OP?


If you look at the OP's posting history you'll see that its just a gimmick character used for writing cliche shitposts.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#40 - 2012-08-04 03:20:46 UTC
This is getting far to easy, having all the information in game would kill Eve no doubt. I propose that the in game language is changed to Latin to maintain the games exclusivity.