Warfare & Tactics

Agreed.

I have a possible, simple fix that will make accel gate camping a viable tactic.

I don't understand the problem. People already set up on the other side of stargates in an attempt to point the people that they push through and it is a common practice. Yet for some reason it is different on a FW plex gate? Oh I get it, you can't get your frig/destroyer killer T3s with off grid links into the minor plex to "pwn sum noobz lolz". If you don't like like it then leave FW. We don't want your bitching and complaining about every little thing you don't like asses messing up our little corner of space.

People who have either been in an established FW corp or playing for a long time know this trick (same as some of them learned how to bug the timers as well, though that was never as widely known).
People in those corps learned this trick. The general militia may not have.

When Fweddit joined we said there were subtle little things about FW that were different - this is a fantastic example of one and I cannot for a second term it an exploit for the following reasons.

1) Any man and his dog is going to spam the activate button the same way they do to warp their pod when they die or to jump gate or to dock etc...

2) We know that many objects have a larger interaction radius then they do physical one. It is not considered an exploit to stop your ship when you undock (the only action you can do that doesn't break the session invul) and still be within docking range even though you are far enough OUTSIDE the station that other ships can pass between you and the station!!! Some stations (seen a few Caldari for example) have MASSIVE docking range.
If you know you can warp to an object at a range greater than 0 and you are still within the interaction range but won't run the risk of getting caught on the object, why wouldn't you?

Put them together and you have the "exploit".

A true exploit is when the game does something you wouldn't expect - getting LP paid out on loot drops as if it was destroyed, free reactions from decoupled silos or tracking disrupting for infinite tracking/range for example...

We know, you made that painfully obvious with your completely off target and idiotic rant.

To people comparing this to docking or jumping through a gate, those aren't even remotely the same thing in terms of game mechanics. Points don't stop people from jumping or docking and never have, however, they have always prevented someone from going into warp and I see no reason why they should act differently in this case. Also, how long you've been on a gate or in a station doesn't affect your ability to redock or jump, however, with the unscramable acceleration gate bug it only works on the initial warpin with a very small window and how long you wait to hit the gate results in two very different results.

tl:dr Points should stop someone from going into warp. End of story.

So if Fweddit are done having their noses rubbed in learn2play, here's a story about how I came to understand two acceleration gate mechanics at the same time:

One day, I thought it'd be a cool idea to have bookmarks by plexes, so that I could bounce from inside the plex and land on the acceleration gate quicker. And bookmarks near plexes can also be used to scout them out. So I did this in a system, warping to each plex and creating bookmarks as close as I could, and then left to look at the rest of constellation. When I came back: three war targets! Alright, where are they? I warped to the bookmark by the medium at zero... and landed at the acceleration gate at zero. At which were two interceptors and a Falcon that decloaked as I warped in. I was in a brick Arbitrator.

I did the natural thing and spammed jump on the gate, the interceptors failed to tackle me, and since Falcons can't get into mediums, nobody followed me in.

So there, just by playing the game and paying attention, I learned two-- er, three things:

1. If you spam jump on an acceleration gate you can get through a camp (didn't know about 10km yet - it was luck that I landed right, this time);

2. bookmarks on grid with acceleration gates are EVIL and take you straight to the gate, just as warping to a fleetmember will; and

3. If a gang has a Falcon in it, expect the non-Falcons to be reluctant to engage without it.

No, for the first 2.5 years of FW one was technically invulnerable if the acceleration gate had been activated. We bitched and moaned to some extent about it and it was changed so that 'normal' mechanics applied .. think it was initially meant to help FW noobs (everyone in FW has less than 2M SP, fact! ) survive against evil pirates camping their gates.

From the Reddit entry it sounds like the warp alignment tweak broke it again though .. either that or the mechanic cannot handle spam requests.
Most likely scenario is that it is a combination of hitting the gate from the right angle (at speed and aligned) when activating and the omni-present (ie. everywhere in Eve) latency issue where client reports a successful scram with server having no such thing.

In short: Probably not a bug and thus not an exploit. Petition CCP to reorient all gates from horizontal to vertical as getting warp-ins from below/above is a lot harder than in plane

Also:
From the title of the reddit article I thought fweddit exploited hans 3x in front of their fleet. I was interested in reading the details of what exactly that meant.

I was a bit disappointed when I read the post.

So I stuck a nerve with you huh. Little too close to home for your liking? FW was set up to be an arena where you could fly a ship class and have fights of similar classes of ships. The only people that are bitching about this mechanic are those that want to not fight, but gank. In this instance FW is different from every other part of EVE and that is one of the defining features that people like about FW. If you take away this feature then FW is nothing more than null-lite and honestly not worth newer players getting involved with it other than to farm ISK. They would be at an even greater disadvantage then they already are.

So take your meaningless drivel elsewhere. We don't need you here.

Sounds par for the course for CCP.