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90% of PVP happens at gates. THAT'S that problem.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-08-03 20:09:56 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
It's amazing how the rest of the game thinks in a different way than I do. I have absolutely no sense of attachment or fear of loss or risk. If I lose a ship, I lose several millions sure, then I have to buy a new clone and fit a new ship, but big ******* deal?

Are all of these pirates seriously running around with pods and ships they can't afford to lose? What's wrong with you people. Stop being girly-men. Engage your target and fight to the death. If you lose your officer-fit rifter and 10b pod, that's your dumb-ass mistake not mine.



So , as with the last null guy who showed the way to small gang piracy i'll just burst the bubble of this char too.


Battleclinic shows 119 kills of wich the largest portion was 50 to 200+ people on the killmail and the smallest i believe was a dramkill with 3 people. Not one single kill on your name , not even for a damn cyno kessie.

Regarding how you don't mind loosing crap as you say: 33 losses of wich the most expensive is a blackbird - you know the 5 mille isk ship - and all the rest are rifters and pods.


Now if you want to come in here and show the pirates how to properly pvp and compare it to your own awsomness then by all means post with a character that HAS a decent killboard showing his 1vs1 or 2vs1 fights and if possible low-sec kills would even top it offf to prove your point.

So as i told the other guy too , go to low-sec ALONE or with 2 to 3 friends at most and try it for a month and see how many kills you'll get that are not on the gates.Your small gang fleets are 30 guys , for a pirate fleet that's massive.Unless you have another char wich HAS pvp'd in low-sec you have absolutely no frikking idea what you're talking about.


And yet again just to re-iterate : i am not a pirate but these types of posts are just too hilarious/sad and full of air.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#62 - 2012-08-03 20:19:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Bootleg Jack
Rek Seven wrote:
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.


Okay genius, where should people fight in low sec then?

You can't drag people into bubbles in low sec so the only places fights can happen is gates and stations (docking games are fun?).

Ps. ganking mission runners isn't legit pvp.


Unless they [mission runners] pass through a gate right?

So
full
of
****

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Pipa Porto
#63 - 2012-08-03 20:21:09 UTC
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates,


You mean the Real Pirates who fart around the Gulf of Aiden (the best route for Oil Tankers to take from the Middle East)?
Or the Real Pirates who sit around the Strait of Malacca (the best route for crossing between the Pacific and Indian Oceans?

Pirates hang around Choke Points to catch their prey. Always have, always will.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#64 - 2012-08-03 20:22:06 UTC
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.


Even EA, as fail as they were, figured this out early on in UO and ended gate camping at moongates.

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-08-03 20:22:10 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
It's amazing how the rest of the game thinks in a different way than I do. I have absolutely no sense of attachment or fear of loss or risk. If I lose a ship, I lose several millions sure, then I have to buy a new clone and fit a new ship, but big ******* deal?

Are all of these pirates seriously running around with pods and ships they can't afford to lose? What's wrong with you people. Stop being girly-men. Engage your target and fight to the death. If you lose your officer-fit rifter and 10b pod, that's your dumb-ass mistake not mine.



So , as with the last null guy who showed the way to small gang piracy i'll just burst the bubble of this char too.


Battleclinic shows 119 kills of wich the largest portion was 50 to 200+ people on the killmail and the smallest i believe was a dramkill with 3 people. Not one single kill on your name , not even for a damn cyno kessie.

Regarding how you don't mind loosing crap as you say: 33 losses of wich the most expensive is a blackbird - you know the 5 mille isk ship - and all the rest are rifters and pods.


Now if you want to come in here and show the pirates how to properly pvp and compare it to your own awsomness then by all means post with a character that HAS a decent killboard showing his 1vs1 or 2vs1 fights and if possible low-sec kills would even top it offf to prove your point.

So as i told the other guy too , go to low-sec ALONE or with 2 to 3 friends at most and try it for a month and see how many kills you'll get that are not on the gates.Your small gang fleets are 30 guys , for a pirate fleet that's massive.Unless you have another char wich HAS pvp'd in low-sec you have absolutely no frikking idea what you're talking about.


And yet again just to re-iterate : i am not a pirate but these types of posts are just too hilarious/sad and full of air.



Yeah because low sec entities never hot drop with 10+ BO's/reccons a single ship, hell I saw hot drop on a single command ship with those + supers...so funny indeed, wow, that's great stuff.

brb
Boudicca Arbosa
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-08-03 20:23:24 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates,


You mean the Real Pirates who fart around the Gulf of Aiden (the best route for Oil Tankers to take from the Middle East)?
Or the Real Pirates who sit around the Strait of Malacca (the best route for crossing between the Pacific and Indian Oceans?

Pirates hang around Choke Points to catch their prey. Always have, always will.


No. They don't SIT IN A HARBOR and wait.
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#67 - 2012-08-03 20:23:59 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates,


You mean the Real Pirates who fart around the Gulf of Aiden (the best route for Oil Tankers to take from the Middle East)?
Or the Real Pirates who sit around the Strait of Malacca (the best route for crossing between the Pacific and Indian Oceans?

Pirates hang around Choke Points to catch their prey. Always have, always will.


Educate yourself before you post bullshit, those pirates are not in right in the strait, they are in nearby shipping lanes. The straits themselves are gaurded by several nations warships.

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Pipa Porto
#68 - 2012-08-03 20:28:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates,


You mean the Real Pirates who fart around the Gulf of Aiden (the best route for Oil Tankers to take from the Middle East)?
Or the Real Pirates who sit around the Strait of Malacca (the best route for crossing between the Pacific and Indian Oceans?

Pirates hang around Choke Points to catch their prey. Always have, always will.


Educate yourself before you post bullshit, those pirates are not in right in the strait, they are in nearby shipping lanes. The straits themselves are gaurded by several nations warships.


"around the" not "around in the"

"around Choke Points" not "around in Choke Points"

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Waylan Yutani
SkyLark Insurgency
#69 - 2012-08-03 20:29:21 UTC
A decent pirate corp/alliance cares about its killboard in much the same way as a hi-sec merc corp does. Both groups usually fit their ship to win, not by using t2 modules, but hi-end faction and in some cases officer mods. So when you get ganked, its not because they cheat, it's because they are better and more well prepared than you :-)
Jim Era
#70 - 2012-08-03 20:31:26 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates,


You mean the Real Pirates who fart around the Gulf of Aiden (the best route for Oil Tankers to take from the Middle East)?
Or the Real Pirates who sit around the Strait of Malacca (the best route for crossing between the Pacific and Indian Oceans?

Pirates hang around Choke Points to catch their prey. Always have, always will.


Educate yourself before you post bullshit, those pirates are not in right in the strait, they are in nearby shipping lanes. The straits themselves are gaurded by several nations warships.


"around the" not "around in the"

"around Choke Points" not "around in Choke Points"


Who are you correcting?

Wat™
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#71 - 2012-08-03 20:32:56 UTC
Waylan Yutani wrote:
A decent pirate corp/alliance cares about its killboard in much the same way as a hi-sec merc corp does. Both groups usually fit their ship to win, not by using t2 modules, but hi-end faction and in some cases officer mods. So when you get ganked, its not because they cheat, it's because they are better and more well prepared than you :-)


This is actually the opposite of what happens, but okay.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#72 - 2012-08-03 20:34:49 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
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Yeah because low sec entities never hot drop with 10+ BO's/reccons a single ship, hell I saw hot drop on a single command ship with those + supers...so funny indeed, wow, that's great stuff.


And?

So because you saw it once its automaticly normal for lowsec, dont be ******* stupid. I can make the exact same claim about every major null sec alliance and guess what, it still means nothing!!

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#73 - 2012-08-03 20:37:08 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates,


You mean the Real Pirates who fart around the Gulf of Aiden (the best route for Oil Tankers to take from the Middle East)?
Or the Real Pirates who sit around the Strait of Malacca (the best route for crossing between the Pacific and Indian Oceans?

Pirates hang around Choke Points to catch their prey. Always have, always will.


Educate yourself before you post bullshit, those pirates are not in right in the strait, they are in nearby shipping lanes. The straits themselves are gaurded by several nations warships.


"around the" not "around in the"

"around Choke Points" not "around in Choke Points"


Around as in far, out of sight far, away.

So in gate terms, not in scan range.

We agree, pirates should not hang at the gates.

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#74 - 2012-08-03 20:37:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Russell Casey
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:


You mean the Real Pirates who fart around the Gulf of Aiden (the best route for Oil Tankers to take from the Middle East)?
Or the Real Pirates who sit around the Strait of Malacca (the best route for crossing between the Pacific and Indian Oceans?

Pirates hang around Choke Points to catch their prey. Always have, always will.


Said "Choke point" is a hundred miles of water with no Local to tell the tankers when Somali Small Boat Yarr, Inc. is coming. And if said pirates get chased back to their home port by the Navies out patrolling, they get squashed.
flakeys
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-08-03 20:49:40 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Yeah because low sec entities never hot drop with 10+ BO's/reccons a single ship, hell I saw hot drop on a single command ship with those + supers...so funny indeed, wow, that's great stuff.


Because that makes out for the biggest part of the kills in low-sec right? Come on you can do better then that.


We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Mastin Dragonfly
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2012-08-03 22:30:26 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates,


You mean the Real Pirates who fart around the Gulf of Aiden (the best route for Oil Tankers to take from the Middle East)?
Or the Real Pirates who sit around the Strait of Malacca (the best route for crossing between the Pacific and Indian Oceans?

Pirates hang around Choke Points to catch their prey. Always have, always will.


Agreed, piracy has nothing to do with Quake or Team Fortress like PvP, it's not about being fair, it's about trying to make a profit. You go where the prey is and try to move to odds into your favor as much as possible.

And I don't do piracy, or any pvp, I'm just another carebear. There should be a big banner every time you start up EVE saying: THIS GAME IS NOT FAIR, DEAL WITH IT.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#77 - 2012-08-03 22:41:01 UTC
Boudicca Arbosa wrote:
If you turds would just get off gates and hunt like REAL pirates, there wouldn't be a need to change the way gates work in low. Stop hugging gates to gain an advantage (because your 93843 million ISK ship going after that cheaply fit Rifter wasn't good enough) and get your asses out there and destroy ships in SPACE. Get off your front porch, you whiny pussies.

I'm a goddamn new player that immediately went to lowsec space to carve out my niche. Even I'M not ***** enough to sit at a gate. I hunt when I'm feeling froggy. You veterans sitting around at the gates make my teeth itch. Get off the gates and join the rest of the world.


You have no problem with blobbing the crap out of things so I fail to see how you can complain about '90% of PVP being on gates' (It isn't and you are completely ignorant of the facts). Get a grip and learn to be competent.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2012-08-03 22:46:35 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
It's amazing how the rest of the game thinks in a different way than I do. I have absolutely no sense of attachment or fear of loss or risk. If I lose a ship, I lose several millions sure, then I have to buy a new clone and fit a new ship, but big ******* deal?

Are all of these pirates seriously running around with pods and ships they can't afford to lose? What's wrong with you people. Stop being girly-men. Engage your target and fight to the death. If you lose your officer-fit rifter and 10b pod, that's your dumb-ass mistake not mine.



So , as with the last null guy who showed the way to small gang piracy i'll just burst the bubble of this char too.


Battleclinic shows 119 kills of wich the largest portion was 50 to 200+ people on the killmail and the smallest i believe was a dramkill with 3 people. Not one single kill on your name , not even for a damn cyno kessie.

Regarding how you don't mind loosing crap as you say: 33 losses of wich the most expensive is a blackbird - you know the 5 mille isk ship - and all the rest are rifters and pods.


Now if you want to come in here and show the pirates how to properly pvp and compare it to your own awsomness then by all means post with a character that HAS a decent killboard showing his 1vs1 or 2vs1 fights and if possible low-sec kills would even top it offf to prove your point.

So as i told the other guy too , go to low-sec ALONE or with 2 to 3 friends at most and try it for a month and see how many kills you'll get that are not on the gates.Your small gang fleets are 30 guys , for a pirate fleet that's massive.Unless you have another char wich HAS pvp'd in low-sec you have absolutely no frikking idea what you're talking about.


And yet again just to re-iterate : i am not a pirate but these types of posts are just too hilarious/sad and full of air.

God, why am I humoring you?

That killmail report sounds like it hasn't been updated in a while. I can't navigate that ****** battleclinic site though so I can't say for sure, but here's the facts as I know them (I know them pretty well): I don't go on 100+man gang fleets anymore, and I haven't for months. I podjump a lot, so there's that. I've only done frig roams lately and guess what? I don't have a shooting role in them. My job is to turn on my point and web and let other guys do the shooting. I'm not going to have any kills to my name and I'm completely OK with that. I'm happier knowing I'm the ******* who going a point on you than the one who deals the killing blow. Also, most goons don't give a **** about their K:D ratio and can't be arsed to upload a KM half the time. We link the in-game kill, laugh at the "elite pvp" idiots we pop, and move on. Now that we can see the value of a ship and a pod without uploading a killmail anywhere, I can see how my stats might be more anemic than they really are/

I would argue this game isn't really balanced around 1v1 stats or 3-man gang fights, either, but I'm sure my interceptor would lose on its own versus most things.

You're also not seeing all the deaths I don't have. I throw my ships around like they're worthless and I end up NOT DYING most of the time. It's weird how that is, but it might have something to do with not being an idiot. My insurance keeps running out on my interceptors and drakes and it kind of sucks I'm not dying more, honestly. Maybe I would if these mythical elite PvPers with epic battleclinic reports would grow a sac and engage a bunch of mostly T1 frigates, I would die more.

Sad truth is they're mostly a bunch of KM, K:D ratio whoring little children who are afraid to have "death by rifters" show up on their precious killmails.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#79 - 2012-08-03 22:53:28 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
[
Yeah because low sec entities never hot drop with 10+ BO's/reccons a single ship, hell I saw hot drop on a single command ship with those + supers...so funny indeed, wow, that's great stuff.


And?

So because you saw it once its automaticly normal for lowsec, dont be ******* stupid. I can make the exact same claim about every major null sec alliance and guess what, it still means nothing!!



That exactly the point. Whatever arguments you (in general) make about the fact "OMAGAD LO SEC IS DED" is as pointless as the example I gave, but just like you (in general) served my argument. And no I haven't saw this only once, lived enough time in low to see this happen very frequently.

There's absolutely nothing starting by whatever argument that clearly shows low sec will be less populated, the only thing it shows is that some form of combat will be heavily hit, and that form is the roaming gangs.
If you read some decent and actually true pirates about this, they will tell you they don't gate camp and still have good fights and good prey witch only means those self proclaimed *pirates* because they're -10 moaning without true argument are just as bad as those carebears they hate so much.

So in the end, the true problem and the only one deserving strong attention is roaming gangs and how this will affect travelling abilities for those real pirates. This yes, I feel concerned about, not about all the moaning and bitching from -10 pubbies feeling bad boys just because they killed in less than 10 sec 20 (or whatever number) shuttles and those alt pods to look badass, those can die and quit I don't give a crap and Eve will just be better without them.

brb
Lord Arakkis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-08-03 23:11:04 UTC
Starting to understand why I cant seem to find fights when I go into low sec'

Your still a child in the eyes of the universe