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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2661 - 2012-08-03 20:07:35 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


High Sec has a high presence of security forces. High Security. They work just like the Police in the real world, only unimaginably faster and more efficiently. That is to say, they punish criminals by blowing up their ship, and there's no way to escape that punishment. In addition, CONCORD keeps a list of all laws broken, so transgressors end up Outlaw, subject to summary execution by their fellow capsuleers.



That is the loophole the other poster was talking about. Gankers can bypass the punishment, with suck low isk ships in a gank, and still make money. They did try to reduce that loophole with no insurance payout. But that didn't help out enough yet.

Pipa is just too angry as a ganker or pvper, to let us miners mine in peace.


Can only make money when other people are stupid.
Pipa Porto
#2662 - 2012-08-03 20:13:04 UTC
rodyas wrote:
He doesn't like anyone to feel safe in hi sec, or at the log in screen.


Neither does CCP.

CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.



If you want to mine in peace, on a server where you will not get ganked, CCP has very kindly made such a Server available to you.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Hypercake Mix
#2663 - 2012-08-03 21:02:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Hypercake Mix
Uh oh... thread is running out of gas.
Hmm...

Guess miners will now be PAYING gankers to get rid of other miners... and all those betrayal shenanigans too.

And... I just spoiled the surprise Oops
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#2664 - 2012-08-03 21:05:40 UTC
I always thought they were too light, I mean it is a ship filled with rocks, it should be kind of tough...

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2665 - 2012-08-03 21:08:54 UTC
Hypercake Mix wrote:
Uh oh... thread is running out of gas.
Hmm...

Guess miners will now be PAYING gankers to get rid of other miners... and all those betrayal shenanigans too.

And... I just spoiled the surprise Oops


You know what? THAT would be far better suited with the concepts of the game..

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2666 - 2012-08-04 06:48:41 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
He doesn't like anyone to feel safe in hi sec, or at the log in screen.


Neither does CCP.

CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.



If you want to mine in peace, on a server where you will not get ganked, CCP has very kindly made such a Server available to you.


But come on admit, me just happily mining away, AFK watching youtube videos of other miners getting ganked, while I keep say "won't happen to me, life sure is good" just get a little too much. And you would come down and gank me? Me just happily afk mining away, playing minecraft, and having to avoid screechers more then ganks. Almost close to, with that last one, but I want to make isk. SISI isn't very good for it.

Why doesn't CCP make the login in screen and new intro to log in screen, much more scary then? Seems more, friendly, business oreintated and fun more then scary. Makes me wonder if rated-R movies can be made in iceland or not.

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Pipa Porto
#2667 - 2012-08-04 07:03:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
rodyas wrote:
But come on admit, me just happily mining away, AFK watching youtube videos of other miners getting ganked, while I keep say "won't happen to me, life sure is good" just get a little too much. And you would come down and gank me? Me just happily afk mining away, playing minecraft, and having to avoid screechers more then ganks. Almost close to, with that last one, but I want to make isk. SISI isn't very good for it.

Why doesn't CCP make the login in screen and new intro to log in screen, much more scary then? Seems more, friendly, business oreintated and fun more then scary. Makes me wonder if rated-R movies can be made in iceland or not.



You're complaining about getting hurt because you didn't prepare your ship to protect itself while you're off doing something completely different?

Again, nothing at all is stopping you from mining AFK. Gankers just make sure that doing so isn't particularly safe.

I find it telling that the only time miners complain that the Barges need a Buff (besides the constant "I want more Yield" guys), is when the gank tempo picks up.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2668 - 2012-08-04 07:27:46 UTC
Well I was over-reacting a bit. Some places in EVE are safe enough to suit my mining, so it propably won't even be a big deal.

The good news is I am playing with some of you pvper's dumb ideas. Not the more tank, but to go to more recluse places, and rely on a frieghter to make it economically feasible. If you can't tank, get more cargo room, apperently.

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Pipa Porto
#2669 - 2012-08-04 07:35:16 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Well I was over-reacting a bit. Some places in EVE are safe enough to suit my mining, so it propably won't even be a big deal.

The good news is I am playing with some of you pvper's dumb ideas. Not the more tank, but to go to more recluse places, and rely on a frieghter to make it economically feasible. If you can't tank, get more cargo room, apperently.


There's an old saying where I'm from:
"If it's stupid, but it works, it aint stupid"

I gave some 17 suggestions in a list once. Some of them work fine for AFK mining. The ones that didn't mostly allowed for max yield. All of them worked, but required some sort of sacrifice. I got shouted down. Vigorously. By the Miners.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2670 - 2012-08-04 07:48:31 UTC
Well, I came up with a solution, that allows max yeild. Of course, I didn't start it with a quote, so touche.

Well some sacrifice, one of my alts, will have to be the frieghter, so both can't mine now. But perhaps I will save the ore in the station, till I am bored and naturally want to haul ore around. Maybe both pilots will be frieghters someday.

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Pipa Porto
#2671 - 2012-08-04 08:25:18 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Well, I came up with a solution, that allows max yeild. Of course, I didn't start it with a quote, so touche.

Well some sacrifice, one of my alts, will have to be the frieghter, so both can't mine now. But perhaps I will save the ore in the station, till I am bored and naturally want to haul ore around. Maybe both pilots will be frieghters someday.


Red Frog or Push. Or Scout some more to find an equally backwater system with a refinery station and get standings, then you'll just have to do one hauling run every 1-2b ISK of minerals you mine (ISK value of your freighter cargo depends entirely on your risk tolerance) or set up a courier every 1b.

I'm trying to help you refine (Lol) your solution.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#2672 - 2012-08-04 08:27:56 UTC
The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2673 - 2012-08-04 08:48:29 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Well, I came up with a solution, that allows max yeild. Of course, I didn't start it with a quote, so touche.

Well some sacrifice, one of my alts, will have to be the frieghter, so both can't mine now. But perhaps I will save the ore in the station, till I am bored and naturally want to haul ore around. Maybe both pilots will be frieghters someday.


Red Frog or Push. Or Scout some more to find an equally backwater system with a refinery station and get standings, then you'll just have to do one hauling run every 1-2b ISK of minerals you mine (ISK value of your freighter cargo depends entirely on your risk tolerance) or set up a courier every 1b.

I'm trying to help you refine (Lol) your solution.


Sorry, but I lose ISK paying others to haul for me, though if I something better else to do, I would be tempted to. The 1-2 billion, could work, since I don't have more accounts. Kind of had a small hope, you pvpers would convince CCP to add more fitting options to freighters, as it stands now I will be forced to AFK haul or something.

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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#2674 - 2012-08-04 08:55:45 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Well, I came up with a solution, that allows max yeild. Of course, I didn't start it with a quote, so touche.

Well some sacrifice, one of my alts, will have to be the frieghter, so both can't mine now. But perhaps I will save the ore in the station, till I am bored and naturally want to haul ore around. Maybe both pilots will be frieghters someday.


Red Frog or Push. Or Scout some more to find an equally backwater system with a refinery station and get standings, then you'll just have to do one hauling run every 1-2b ISK of minerals you mine (ISK value of your freighter cargo depends entirely on your risk tolerance) or set up a courier every 1b.

I'm trying to help you refine (Lol) your solution.


Sorry, but I lose ISK paying others to haul for me, though if I something better else to do, I would be tempted to. The 1-2 billion, could work, since I don't have more accounts. Kind of had a small hope, you pvpers would convince CCP to add more fitting options to freighters, as it stands now I will be forced to AFK haul or something.


Back in the day people used to mine in groups, help eachother haul, sell, maximize profits. There was even alot of apps for the IGB, where these groups could calculate how much part of the profits each of them would get.

Hell, even self-proclaimed PvP pilots like me, used to occationally haul or protect the guys in corp who were interested in mining. I even got my first battlecruiser built because I hauled for a guy in lowsec. But nowadays miners just want everything served on a silver platter and do it solo. Just like missionrunners. Not like when we used to do corp-ops in lv4 (and even having people dying, before lv4's were nerfed).

This game has watered out, people don't want to interact or co-operate: other than in PvP, where blobs are dominating. Nice 'evolution' there. P

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2675 - 2012-08-04 09:03:00 UTC
All I read there, was a story of man who got tired of life, and wanted to quit.

I like being versatile, working in a group is nice, but its hard to find others with common goals. Usually everyone has things they would rather do, and go seperate ways.

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Pipa Porto
#2676 - 2012-08-05 00:08:42 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Well, I came up with a solution, that allows max yeild. Of course, I didn't start it with a quote, so touche.

Well some sacrifice, one of my alts, will have to be the frieghter, so both can't mine now. But perhaps I will save the ore in the station, till I am bored and naturally want to haul ore around. Maybe both pilots will be frieghters someday.


Red Frog or Push. Or Scout some more to find an equally backwater system with a refinery station and get standings, then you'll just have to do one hauling run every 1-2b ISK of minerals you mine (ISK value of your freighter cargo depends entirely on your risk tolerance) or set up a courier every 1b.

I'm trying to help you refine (Lol) your solution.


Sorry, but I lose ISK paying others to haul for me, though if I something better else to do, I would be tempted to. The 1-2 billion, could work, since I don't have more accounts. Kind of had a small hope, you pvpers would convince CCP to add more fitting options to freighters, as it stands now I will be forced to AFK haul or something.


How long does it take to run a Freighter to Jita? During that time, you can be mining more. So most likely, if you can make more than ~3-4m an hour mining, you'll be better off hiring someone else to do it. Also, you don't have to invest in a 1.4b ISK ship.

Just like Minerals you mine aren't free, time you spend isn't free.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2677 - 2012-08-05 03:42:57 UTC
But blowing ISK on overblown ships is what this game is about though. :(

Why go to jita, lots of other market places up.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#2678 - 2012-08-05 05:37:26 UTC
Hypercake Mix wrote:
Guess miners will now be PAYING gankers to get rid of other miners... and all those betrayal shenanigans too.


A few of the industrialists I know donated something to Hulkageddon over the years. Hulkageddon is good for business.

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#2679 - 2012-08-05 10:03:23 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Well, I came up with a solution, that allows max yeild. Of course, I didn't start it with a quote, so touche.

Well some sacrifice, one of my alts, will have to be the frieghter, so both can't mine now. But perhaps I will save the ore in the station, till I am bored and naturally want to haul ore around. Maybe both pilots will be frieghters someday.


Red Frog or Push. Or Scout some more to find an equally backwater system with a refinery station and get standings, then you'll just have to do one hauling run every 1-2b ISK of minerals you mine (ISK value of your freighter cargo depends entirely on your risk tolerance) or set up a courier every 1b.

I'm trying to help you refine (Lol) your solution.


Sorry, but I lose ISK paying others to haul for me, though if I something better else to do, I would be tempted to. The 1-2 billion, could work, since I don't have more accounts. Kind of had a small hope, you pvpers would convince CCP to add more fitting options to freighters, as it stands now I will be forced to AFK haul or something.


How long does it take to run a Freighter to Jita? During that time, you can be mining more. So most likely, if you can make more than ~3-4m an hour mining, you'll be better off hiring someone else to do it. Also, you don't have to invest in a 1.4b ISK ship.

Just like Minerals you mine aren't free, time you spend isn't free.



Attempting to keep this thread alive single-handedly?
Face it, you simply want easy mode ganking noobs, and your bent over the fact that you can't have that anymore....
Go learn to fight real ships, it's much more entertaining. Cool

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#2680 - 2012-08-05 11:39:40 UTC
So whats the verdict on the final Exhumer stats?

Sure looks like a nice bait and switch. Greyscales' balancing adjustments seemed to go out the window and they more or less just went with the original iteration....