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CCP any plans on Debian & Red Hat based clients?

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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#41 - 2012-08-03 19:22:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Denidil
oh and.. Alexandra Alt .. i used to be you.. 10 years ago. then i grew up.. and got a job.. and microsoft stopped acting like as huge of an ******* as they did in the late 90s

eventually i got hired by them.. so it is sorta ironic that a former rabid hater now works here.

[edit]
and there is no precedent to old games being ported to linux. it isn't the first time this has happened.

my opinion: good for linux users. but don't overstate the importance.

don't be this person:
"2004 is the year of linux on the desktop" doesn't happen

"2005 is the year of linux on the desktop" doesn't happen

"2006 is the year of linux on the desktop" doesn't happen

"2007 is the year of linux on the desktop" doesn't happen

"2008 is the year of linux on the desktop" doesn't happen

"2009 is the year of linux on the desktop" doesn't happen

"2010 is the year of linux on the desktop" doesn't happen

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-08-03 19:22:35 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:


No one said that linux is not widely used for PROGRAMMING and such. But as home pcs, it will NEVER been main stream because EACH user would have to CREATE there own desktop, which part of this are u not getting?


Please, stop posting, you're an ignorant...
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-08-03 19:24:58 UTC
are you saying that 2013 will be the year of the linux desktop?

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#44 - 2012-08-03 19:25:32 UTC
Alexandra Alt wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:


No one said that linux is not widely used for PROGRAMMING and such. But as home pcs, it will NEVER been main stream because EACH user would have to CREATE there own desktop, which part of this are u not getting?


Please, stop posting, you're an ignorant...


When a linux distro like Fedora (or that hammered **** Ubuntu) is working fine there is no real problem for the end user. however it is when it breaks, and it breaks a little too often on software update. linux is too quick to make breaking changes.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#45 - 2012-08-03 19:25:47 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
are you saying that 2013 will be the year of the linux desktop?


I do believe he is. but we all know the real year of the linux desktop is 2014!

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-08-03 19:26:06 UTC
Denidil wrote:
oh and.. Alexandra Alt .. i used to be you.. 10 years ago. then i grew up.. and got a job.. and microsoft stopped acting like as huge of an ******* as they did in the late 90s

eventually i got hired by them.. so it is sorta ironic that a former rabid hater now works here.


Err dude, I'm not a hater, I work with Linux (still do) because I actually work and develop for Linux, I don't hate Microsoft, they're a business and make business decisions. What I don't like is to call 'features' like if they were the inventors of them when other OS'es had them way before and/or where they were based (even from MacOS). The only inovation microsoft did probably in the last 10 years was .Net

I'm pragmatic as a developer that I am, the best tool for the best task at hand, if a secretary that never heard of linux and worked with windows for years comes to work, hell giver windows, the point is productivity. If it always worked with MacOS so be it. etc etc.

Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#47 - 2012-08-03 19:30:50 UTC
Alexandra Alt wrote:


Err dude, I'm not a hater, I work with Linux (still do) because I actually work and develop for Linux,


So have I, and I even acted like an insufferable ass like you are. I've written 3D Model conversion/metadata editor applications using wxWidgets. (modding tool for FreeSpace 2)

but i'm going to call bullshit on you not being a hater


Alexandra Alt wrote:

I don't hate Microsoft, they're a business and make business decisions.


your posts are rather biased and ignorant.. giving us the impression that you are a hater. if you are not a hater perhaps you should be more informed, and less biased


Alexandra Alt wrote:

What I don't like is to call 'features' like if they were the inventors of them when other OS'es had them way before and/or where they were based (even from MacOS).


anything done by Linux, Windows or Mac OS/X has been done before in software. none of the three big players do anything original in the OS market. the real research OSes all do it first.


Alexandra Alt wrote:

The only inovation microsoft did probably in the last 10 years was .Net


i used to think that too, but then i learned to look closer. part of the problem is people only look at windows client edition - they scoff at server edition. but businesses don't. hyper-v is probably the best hyper visor i've seen on the market - bar none (as for Server 2012).



Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-08-03 19:34:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexandra Alt
Denidil wrote:
Alexandra Alt wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:


No one said that linux is not widely used for PROGRAMMING and such. But as home pcs, it will NEVER been main stream because EACH user would have to CREATE there own desktop, which part of this are u not getting?


Please, stop posting, you're an ignorant...


When a linux distro like Fedora (or that hammered **** Ubuntu) is working fine there is no real problem for the end user. however it is when it breaks, and it breaks a little too often on software update. linux is too quick to make breaking changes.


You should probably try the stuff properly before making assumptions (assumption is the mother of all F*ck ups), There are versions, there are beta/alpha on the edge versions that are picky on updates and do require often updates, when there are LTS vesions where mainly security updates are done, fedora works the same way as ubuntu and as debian too, basically, you choose to play with fire, you're to blame if you get burned.

Now that we set aside the updates argument, let's talk about quality, I have 3 workstations at work and 1 laptop with linux, plus 2 desk PC's home and 1 mac book. I have Ubuntu and debian on them, they were installed like 3 years ago, been doing dist upgrades (major versions) ever since, haven't formatted any of them, had 0 issues with updates even on major version upgrades. I have no need to defrag my disk ever, nor reinstall the OS because the registry got so cluttered it hurts, and the average uptime of my PC's (except the laptops) is about 2 months, with my home server at:

21:10:13 up 221 days, 2:12, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

You lost 10 years of Linux development it seems.

edit:
You make assumptions not only on Linux but on me too, well, It's a pitty Microsoft made you the ass you actually sound like and not look like.....
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-08-03 19:36:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Alexandra Alt wrote:
load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00


"Guys check out my mad uptime" *zero load*

also son that's a p scrubby uptime

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-08-03 19:37:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexandra Alt
Richard Desturned wrote:
Alexandra Alt wrote:
load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00


"Guys check out my mad uptime" *zero load*


Shall I make the PC do some random number generator loop to increase the load to make you more happy ? ...
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-08-03 19:37:47 UTC
Denidil wrote:
When a linux distro like Fedora (or that hammered **** Ubuntu) is working fine there is no real problem for the end user. however it is when it breaks, and it breaks a little too often on software update. linux is too quick to make breaking changes.


Did You Know that RHEL/CentOS/Fedora don't actually support in-place upgrades between major versions?

great design there

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-08-03 19:55:20 UTC
fenistil wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Dude

I really don't know how to say this without sounding like a class A Jerk

LINUX is used for PROGRAMS mostly. Not gaming.

It is good for gaming, however, Windows no matter how shite the OS will always reign supreme on the market. Apple just behind.

Linux however will never gain the publicity to do this, simply because most people who online game

Wouldn't even know how to get to there APPDATA on there PC or know what CCCLEANER is.

If you choose to USE Linux, expect to encounter difficulties when gaming online for clients that were not, nor should be, coded for Linux based players who and i quote

*use Linux to make there own OS simply to be outside of the box and to show off to friends they are super nerds*

I think that should just about cover it.


LOL! This is your testimony how little you know about Linux!

Linky 1: http://www.geek.com/articles/games/steam-for-linux-will-launch-in-2012-2012065/
Linky 2: http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/

Linux and gaming are getting close.... Also EVE runs with some smart thinking on Linux.



I can't wait to see some actually smart people making Linux something more intuitive and less "pro nerd", if gaming industry follows like many professional programs already do (full operational and NO BUGS) I'd really love to get rid of crapwindows, because this is exactly what windows platform has become, entire crap.

If this thing goes really on my next software platform will be linux without a doubt, to hell with crapwindows, I don't use it for anything else than be able to use external programs all working perfectly under linux, if Eve follows fair enough if it doesn't well, my professional stuff goes 1st .

brb

Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-08-03 19:59:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexandra Alt
Richard Desturned wrote:
are you saying that 2013 will be the year of the linux desktop?


Throught the discussion I missed this, I'll answer although I don't know if this question is for me.
2013 is not the year of linux desktop, it's the year of the tablet, the OS, will be the usual suspects with Windows 8 on the mix, let's see how it works out.

About Steam position on Linux, it's a really positive thing, not going to make a night/day change but it's setting the standard, and it will drag a lot of it's customers to it. Am I happy about it ?, ofc I am, means I may have the chance to play some games I like on the OS I work with and avoid me having a PC with windows for more than a couple of tests. Will it make me uninstall windows on the only PC I have it ? Nop not yet, the work I do requires me to test stuff in other OS'es, that's why I have a Mac too, not because I love them...

Will I keep answering to witty remarks about 'how awesome I am and my willie is bigger than yours', no.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-08-03 20:07:42 UTC
how to print a paper in GNU Slash Linux: http://www.amazon.com/CUPS-Common-Printing-System-White/dp/0672321963/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199729332&sr=8-1

it's all in those 648 pages

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Jim Era
#55 - 2012-08-03 20:09:57 UTC
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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#56 - 2012-08-03 20:10:53 UTC
Alexandra Alt wrote:


You should probably try the stuff properly before making assumptions (assumption is the mother of all F*ck ups), There are versions, there are beta/alpha on the edge versions that are picky on updates and do require often updates, when there are LTS vesions where mainly security updates are done, fedora works the same way as ubuntu and as debian too, basically, you choose to play with fire, you're to blame if you get burned.


i just did the standard install of ubuntu.. then i wanted to put mythtv on it.. even the bleeding edge .deb repositories had versions of PAM that were lower than what was required... the newest available package was pam .77, pam >= .79 was required, pam .99 was current stable at the time.

if you think all distros are made equal then you don't know as much about linux as you think you know.


Alexandra Alt wrote:

Now that we set aside the updates argument, let's talk about quality, I have 3 workstations at work and 1 laptop with linux, plus 2 desk PC's home and 1 mac book. I have Ubuntu and debian on them, they were installed like 3 years ago, been doing dist upgrades (major versions) ever since, haven't formatted any of them, had 0 issues with updates even on major version upgrades. I have no need to defrag my disk ever, nor reinstall the OS because the registry got so cluttered it hurts, and the average uptime of my PC's (except the laptops) is about 2 months, with my home server at:


yes.. lets complain about problems that exist in older versions of windows that don't exist in modern versions of them, or are trivium.

I haven't had issues with registry clutter since windows 9x

you don't have to defrag.. it just helps performance. technically ext2 could be helped by defragging - it just isn't helped as much. simple design differences. I have freeware installed that intelligently online defrags my drives - stuff read more gets moved to the faster part of spinning drives. naturally my SSDs have no defrag enabled.


Alexandra Alt wrote:


21:10:13 up 221 days, 2:12, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

You lost 10 years of Linux development it seems.


oh look.. uptime epeening! i feel like it's Y2K all over again. sorry i don't have any systems i can e-peen about the uptimes of since I am constantly installing fresh builds of the operating system (work), or powering them down because i don't need them on (home).

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Chatte Noire
PepperPark Deep Space Operations
#57 - 2012-08-03 20:12:39 UTC
Please stop this senseless Windows vs Linux war, and be happy you're not using Apple products.
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#58 - 2012-08-03 20:13:14 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Denidil wrote:
When a linux distro like Fedora (or that hammered **** Ubuntu) is working fine there is no real problem for the end user. however it is when it breaks, and it breaks a little too often on software update. linux is too quick to make breaking changes.


Did You Know that RHEL/CentOS/Fedora don't actually support in-place upgrades between major versions?

great design there


i did it all the time on fedora.. unless they changed that in recent versions

Richard Desturned wrote:



that's a programmers reference - basically "how to write a printer driver"

driver design references for windows are just as big.

i never had problems getting my printers working on linux that couldn't be solved in 10 minutes.

now to be fair those printers "just worked" on Windows and OS/X

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#59 - 2012-08-03 20:14:02 UTC
Chatte Noire wrote:
Please stop this senseless Windows vs Linux war, and be happy you're not using Apple products.


i'm not even engaging in a windows v linux war. they're different OSes that serve different peoples needs in different scenarios and they both have their plusses and their minuses.

i'm waging an anti-dumbshit-hater war.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2012-08-03 20:15:03 UTC
Denidil wrote:
that's a programmers reference - basically "how to write a printer driver"

driver design references for windows are just as big.

i never had problems getting my printers working on linux that couldn't be solved in 10 minutes.

now to be fair those printers "just worked" on Windows and OS/X


don't spoil it damn it

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration