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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2641 - 2012-08-03 06:55:45 UTC
Yeah, but I wouldn't teach them anything, I hate doing though. Otherwise it could be nice as well.

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Bunolagus
NIPTO
#2642 - 2012-08-03 09:36:11 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
[quote=pussnheels]The Miners seem to be unable to accept that EVE is not a safe place, so they get upset when their unattended, untanked, 300m piece of equipment gets blown up.


I was under the false impression that Hisec was highly secure. I was also under the impression that low sec had some kind of security and that null sec had none.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2643 - 2012-08-03 09:39:00 UTC
Bunolagus wrote:
I was under the false impression that Hisec was highly secure. I was also under the impression that low sec had some kind of security and that null sec had none.


Yea, that was the plan, once... but then people came along who's soul purpous in the game was it, to find and exploit loopholes in that concept to prove they are "better" then CCP... in essence, even if said people would claim otherwise.^^

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Pipa Porto
#2644 - 2012-08-03 09:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Bunolagus wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
The Miners seem to be unable to accept that EVE is not a safe place, so they get upset when their unattended, untanked, 300m piece of equipment gets blown up.


I was under the false impression that Hisec was highly secure. I was also under the impression that low sec had some kind of security and that null sec had none.


High Sec has a high presence of security forces. High Security. They work just like the Police in the real world, only unimaginably faster and more efficiently. That is to say, they punish criminals by blowing up their ship, and there's no way to escape that punishment. In addition, CONCORD keeps a list of all laws broken, so transgressors end up Outlaw, subject to summary execution by their fellow capsuleers.

Lowsec has gate guns, limiting the types of engagements that can happen on gates and stations, and has the same sec status system as HS. It also has prohibitions on Titan DDs, Bubbles, and Bombs.

You're confusing "Security" and "Safety."


CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2645 - 2012-08-03 09:49:58 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
Pipa Porto wrote:


High Sec has a high presence of security forces. High Security. They work just like the Police in the real world, only unimaginably faster and more efficiently. That is to say, they punish criminals by blowing up their ship, and there's no way to escape that punishment. In addition, CONCORD keeps a list of all laws broken, so transgressors end up Outlaw, subject to summary execution by their fellow capsuleers.



That is the loophole the other poster was talking about. Gankers can bypass the punishment, with suck low isk ships in a gank, and still make money. They did try to reduce that loophole with no insurance payout. But that didn't help out enough yet.

Pipa is just too angry as a ganker or pvper, to let us miners mine in peace.

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Pipa Porto
#2646 - 2012-08-03 10:12:30 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


High Sec has a high presence of security forces. High Security. They work just like the Police in the real world, only unimaginably faster and more efficiently. That is to say, they punish criminals by blowing up their ship, and there's no way to escape that punishment. In addition, CONCORD keeps a list of all laws broken, so transgressors end up Outlaw, subject to summary execution by their fellow capsuleers.



That is the loophole the other poster was talking about. Gankers can bypass the punishment, with suck low isk ships in a gank, and still make money. They did try to reduce that loophole with no insurance payout. But that didn't help out enough yet.

Pipa is just too angry as a ganker or pvper, to let us miners mine in peace.


The only reason we can make money is because Miners are complicit in their own demise. Just like the only reason Hauler gankers can make money is that Hauler pilots are complicit in their own demise.

Every single miner that I've ganked has sat there like a log while I maneuver my ship into the perfect position to open up.

If you tank your Hulk, you cannot be ganked profitably in HS. In the higher sec bands, enough tank to be radically unprofitable fits in the mids/rigs.

If you mine aligned and pay even the slightest attention to the overview, you cannot ever be ganked.

Everyone else in EVE has to look at their screen on occasion to be effective. Why should miners be different?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2647 - 2012-08-03 10:18:08 UTC
rodyas wrote:
That is the loophole the other poster was talking about. Gankers can bypass the punishment, with suck low isk ships in a gank, and still make money. They did try to reduce that loophole with no insurance payout. But that didn't help out enough yet.

Pipa is just too angry as a ganker or pvper, to let us miners mine in peace.


While I don't wanna speculate on Pipa's intentions... yup, that's about it.

CCP made the game as open and free as possible, ok, but not only has lowsec been off limits for miners and haulers for years now, even highsec is becoming more and more hostile... where is our freedom in that? Might makes right? Hoo-tsuh!

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#2648 - 2012-08-03 10:22:02 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


High Sec has a high presence of security forces. High Security. They work just like the Police in the real world, only unimaginably faster and more efficiently. That is to say, they punish criminals by blowing up their ship, and there's no way to escape that punishment. In addition, CONCORD keeps a list of all laws broken, so transgressors end up Outlaw, subject to summary execution by their fellow capsuleers.



That is the loophole the other poster was talking about. Gankers can bypass the punishment, with suck low isk ships in a gank, and still make money. They did try to reduce that loophole with no insurance payout. But that didn't help out enough yet.

Pipa is just too angry as a ganker or pvper, to let us miners mine in peace.


The only reason we can make money is because Miners are complicit in their own demise. Just like the only reason Hauler gankers can make money is that Hauler pilots are complicit in their own demise.

Every single miner that I've ganked has sat there like a log while I maneuver my ship into the perfect position to open up.

If you tank your Hulk, you cannot be ganked profitably in HS. In the higher sec bands, enough tank to be radically unprofitable fits in the mids/rigs.

If you mine aligned and pay even the slightest attention to the overview, you cannot ever be ganked.

Everyone else in EVE has to look at their screen on occasion to be effective. Why should miners be different?


Hey I want my expensive PvP ships to be "safe" from miners "PvP", let's put all mineral prices at a zero value! P

..more serious note, I can't understand why people seriously argue isk (one way or another). It's always been the fact in EVE that the more expensive ship you fly, the 'weaker' you get proportionally. Ask CCP why supercapitals are not balanced based on their cost, and they'll laugh at you. Ask any PvPer that fly a cheap ship killing an expensive and ask him why that is even possible. Miners seems to be under the impression that they are different somehow. Friendly tip, either tank your ship (like Pipa and many other suggested), or take other precautions, or.. how about flying you know, something disposable, like, say a Barge? How many hours of mining do you have to spend to make up for that Hulk loss anyway? The added income from the bigger yield has to take quite alot of hours to make it worth it to begin with..

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2649 - 2012-08-03 10:23:48 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


High Sec has a high presence of security forces. High Security. They work just like the Police in the real world, only unimaginably faster and more efficiently. That is to say, they punish criminals by blowing up their ship, and there's no way to escape that punishment. In addition, CONCORD keeps a list of all laws broken, so transgressors end up Outlaw, subject to summary execution by their fellow capsuleers.



That is the loophole the other poster was talking about. Gankers can bypass the punishment, with suck low isk ships in a gank, and still make money. They did try to reduce that loophole with no insurance payout. But that didn't help out enough yet.

Pipa is just too angry as a ganker or pvper, to let us miners mine in peace.


The only reason we can make money is because Miners are complicit in their own demise. Just like the only reason Hauler gankers can make money is that Hauler pilots are complicit in their own demise.

Every single miner that I've ganked has sat there like a log while I maneuver my ship into the perfect position to open up.

If you tank your Hulk, you cannot be ganked profitably in HS. In the higher sec bands, enough tank to be radically unprofitable fits in the mids/rigs.

If you mine aligned and pay even the slightest attention to the overview, you cannot ever be ganked.

Everyone else in EVE has to look at their screen on occasion to be effective. Why should miners be different?


Well yeah, CCP should add rear view mirrors, so we can watch you better. Also the tank stuff is alright, just that you don't always get ganked while you mine, so it feels sort of dumb, to always have a tank, if you never have to use it.

I almost don't mind that you gank miners, just was hoping to mine myself, so its a bit annoying. I know you guys have your own personal vendetta, but it just spills over into my game time.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2650 - 2012-08-03 10:26:01 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Bunolagus wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
The Miners seem to be unable to accept that EVE is not a safe place, so they get upset when their unattended, untanked, 300m piece of equipment gets blown up.


I was under the false impression that Hisec was highly secure. I was also under the impression that low sec had some kind of security and that null sec had none.


High Sec has a high presence of security forces. High Security. They work just like the Police in the real world, only unimaginably faster and more efficiently. That is to say, they punish criminals by blowing up their ship, and there's no way to escape that punishment. In addition, CONCORD keeps a list of all laws broken, so transgressors end up Outlaw, subject to summary execution by their fellow capsuleers.

yea. and when well known outlaw takes gun and goes into nearest bank police does nothing. outlaw shoots people, grabs money, gives stolen stuff to his buddy waiting around and then..... police takes outlaw gun, kicks his ass.... and outlaw buddy goes freely with stolen stuff - he did nothing offensive!

yea. this is how police works in RL for sure Lol

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2651 - 2012-08-03 10:32:14 UTC
Misanth wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


High Sec has a high presence of security forces. High Security. They work just like the Police in the real world, only unimaginably faster and more efficiently. That is to say, they punish criminals by blowing up their ship, and there's no way to escape that punishment. In addition, CONCORD keeps a list of all laws broken, so transgressors end up Outlaw, subject to summary execution by their fellow capsuleers.



That is the loophole the other poster was talking about. Gankers can bypass the punishment, with suck low isk ships in a gank, and still make money. They did try to reduce that loophole with no insurance payout. But that didn't help out enough yet.

Pipa is just too angry as a ganker or pvper, to let us miners mine in peace.


The only reason we can make money is because Miners are complicit in their own demise. Just like the only reason Hauler gankers can make money is that Hauler pilots are complicit in their own demise.

Every single miner that I've ganked has sat there like a log while I maneuver my ship into the perfect position to open up.

If you tank your Hulk, you cannot be ganked profitably in HS. In the higher sec bands, enough tank to be radically unprofitable fits in the mids/rigs.

If you mine aligned and pay even the slightest attention to the overview, you cannot ever be ganked.

Everyone else in EVE has to look at their screen on occasion to be effective. Why should miners be different?


Hey I want my expensive PvP ships to be "safe" from miners "PvP", let's put all mineral prices at a zero value! P

..more serious note, I can't understand why people seriously argue isk (one way or another). It's always been the fact in EVE that the more expensive ship you fly, the 'weaker' you get proportionally. Ask CCP why supercapitals are not balanced based on their cost, and they'll laugh at you. Ask any PvPer that fly a cheap ship killing an expensive and ask him why that is even possible. Miners seems to be under the impression that they are different somehow. Friendly tip, either tank your ship (like Pipa and many other suggested), or take other precautions, or.. how about flying you know, something disposable, like, say a Barge? How many hours of mining do you have to spend to make up for that Hulk loss anyway? The added income from the bigger yield has to take quite alot of hours to make it worth it to begin with..


I thought you said isk didn't matter? why bring it up at the end? Well for the pvp side of things, skills, some players do bad fits, or they buy too expensive fits, with holes missing. I don't really fly the expensive tengu, but that does seem to mimic mining with a tank would save you. I just don't what the answer to the tengu problem is.

Pipa will tell us about the tengu and its weak tank. He doesn't like anyone to feel safe in hi sec, or at the log in screen.

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Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2652 - 2012-08-03 10:34:09 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Pipa is just too angry as a ganker or pvper, to let us miners mine in peace.

Why should you get to do anything in peace?

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2653 - 2012-08-03 10:36:20 UTC
Because its enjoyable.

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2654 - 2012-08-03 10:51:02 UTC
Turifica wrote:
For a bad guy pirate type, you've got zero balls and zero imagination. You're problem isn't that its being rebalanced, its that you know you can't put together a group of ten people who would give you the ******* time of day, never mind listen to your pathetic drivel.


Yea, well, that's the breed of "pirates" that populate the game these days... every respectible outlaw will probably cringe in disgust. Pirate

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#2655 - 2012-08-03 13:45:11 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


High Sec has a high presence of security forces. High Security. They work just like the Police in the real world, only unimaginably faster and more efficiently. That is to say, they punish criminals by blowing up their ship, and there's no way to escape that punishment. In addition, CONCORD keeps a list of all laws broken, so transgressors end up Outlaw, subject to summary execution by their fellow capsuleers.



That is the loophole the other poster was talking about. Gankers can bypass the punishment, with suck low isk ships in a gank, and still make money. They did try to reduce that loophole with no insurance payout. But that didn't help out enough yet.

Pipa is just too angry as a ganker or pvper, to let us miners mine in peace.


The only reason we can make money is because Miners are complicit in their own demise. Just like the only reason Hauler gankers can make money is that Hauler pilots are complicit in their own demise.

Every single miner that I've ganked has sat there like a log while I maneuver my ship into the perfect position to open up.

If you tank your Hulk, you cannot be ganked profitably in HS. In the higher sec bands, enough tank to be radically unprofitable fits in the mids/rigs.

If you mine aligned and pay even the slightest attention to the overview, you cannot ever be ganked.

Everyone else in EVE has to look at their screen on occasion to be effective. Why should miners be different?


Well yeah, CCP should add rear view mirrors, so we can watch you better. Also the tank stuff is alright, just that you don't always get ganked while you mine, so it feels sort of dumb, to always have a tank, if you never have to use it.

I almost don't mind that you gank miners, just was hoping to mine myself, so its a bit annoying. I know you guys have your own personal vendetta, but it just spills over into my game time.


Here is a real world example of what you just said. Every time you get into a car you put your seat belt on you never really need to wear it but that one time you get into an accident your glad as hell you had it on.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2656 - 2012-08-03 16:49:14 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Pipa Porto wrote:


The only reason we can make money is because Miners are complicit in their own demise. Just like the only reason Hauler gankers can make money is that Hauler pilots are complicit in their own demise.

Every single miner that I've ganked has sat there like a log while I maneuver my ship into the perfect position to open up.

If you tank your Hulk, you cannot be ganked profitably in HS. In the higher sec bands, enough tank to be radically unprofitable fits in the mids/rigs.

If you mine aligned and pay even the slightest attention to the overview, you cannot ever be ganked.

Everyone else in EVE has to look at their screen on occasion to be effective. Why should miners be different?


Emphasizing something important.

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Hammer Borne
Doomheim
#2657 - 2012-08-03 17:10:52 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Because its enjoyable.


How dare you attempt such blasphemy.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#2658 - 2012-08-03 18:07:32 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
yea. and when well known outlaw takes gun and goes into nearest bank police does nothing. outlaw shoots people, grabs money, gives stolen stuff to his buddy waiting around and then..... police takes outlaw gun, kicks his ass.... and outlaw buddy goes freely with stolen stuff - he did nothing offensive!

yea. this is how police works in RL for sure Lol



Ok... I've noticed that you have a bit of trouble separating REAL LIFE from a computer game set umpteen gazillion years in the future, where your consciousness can be stripped from your dying shell of a body and transported instantly a gazillion light years away, instantly.

I've got news for you, the game isn't balanced on Real Life...

Honestly, the more I read this thread, the more I'm tempted to drop corp and go rogue on all these idiots...


Ganking =/= Griefing, Blowing up Miners =/= Greifing, Blowing up Miners =/= "exploiting" anything.


Don't be stupid, fit a tank to your dam ship and don't be stupid. FFS, you guys are getting a dam free HP buff . . .

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Pipa Porto
#2659 - 2012-08-03 20:01:34 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Because its enjoyable.


EvE has a PvE server, you know. Where you can mine in peace and petition anyone who bothers you.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#2660 - 2012-08-03 20:04:59 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

yea. and when well known outlaw takes gun and goes into nearest bank police does nothing. outlaw shoots people, grabs money, gives stolen stuff to his buddy waiting around and then..... police takes outlaw gun, kicks his ass.... and outlaw buddy goes freely with stolen stuff - he did nothing offensive!

yea. this is how police works in RL for sure Lol


CONCORD operates under different laws than the Police.

And the Police probably won't do anything to prevent the Bank robbery from happening, because it's going to happen before they can react.

Similar to the Reagan Assassination attempt. The guy got in close with the Secret Service none the wiser and shot the President. Secret Service couldn't stop the first shot, all they could do was limit the number of followup shots the guy got.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto