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"My officer fit XXX paid back for itself" - People are stupid.
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Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-08-03 15:14:53 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:

You are quite content with your $50 dollar Columbia backpack. When you see someone with Hermes bag that costs $4,500, does that mean they are stupid? I don't think so.



You both overpaid. I didn't even carry a purse for 30 years. Finally shelled out $6 for a walmart bag when I realized I needed something to carry my buckets of hand sanitizer in. :D

I see $4500 bucks, and I see 15 acres of good farmland here for sale to me!!!

/on topic I don't care what people fit. Honestly. You actually do make back your cash eventually, if that matters to you. If you don't get popped, then you can treat it the way people treat BPOs; you can always resell it for what you paid for it.

Also- I fit tech 2, and don't care how slowly my domi does level 4's :D Hey OP, to follow your argument even further, why fit tech 2? Tech 1 is waaaay cheaper, and with good skills, you can still do 4's in them. It's where min/maxing comes in. Raider mentalitiy wants to finish that "dungeon" .5 seconds faster than last time. My people (minimizers) are always seeing just how badly you can equip and still manage to finish:D

You are the guy on the highway, laughing at the other schmucks shlepping down the road, too slow for you, while shaking your fist at the ones zooming past. Not everyone thinks your speed is the way to go. Don't worry, zoomers will smash into a wall, and you can laugh at them. Slow cops get run over by tractors. Enjoy your own ride, and stop the road rage:D

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Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#42 - 2012-08-03 15:23:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
OP got right, no sense to use expensive full faction-oficer fit because is not worth, some modules like gist c x large shield booster may help only to new pilots with very low sp amount, bad capactior skills etc.

In fact most t2 heavy assaoult ships and t3 are still better , than full fited oficer-faction fit on battleship tech 1...

Using at last one main+one alt on mission is 100% more efficnienty than 20bil isk worth machariel-krons-vindi.

Well some people know this but they dont care, they just use expensive stuf because they can, for some people main goal is to earn a lot money and buy awesome pve ship just to feel good-strong, other prefer to invest 20bil into market and trade.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#43 - 2012-08-03 15:38:20 UTC
Cloned S0ul wrote:

...Using at last one main+one alt on mission is 100% more efficnienty...


As long as you don't mind the click-fest.

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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#44 - 2012-08-03 15:41:46 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
You're correct, but why should you care?



That.

Also: WTS Estamel BCU P

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#45 - 2012-08-03 15:44:13 UTC
I think OP is just mad because he doesn't have 20b.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#46 - 2012-08-03 15:46:07 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Cloned S0ul wrote:

...Using at last one main+one alt on mission is 100% more efficnienty...


As long as you don't mind the click-fest.


And what if both the main and the alt fly 20b ships? What would be the %? Lol

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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-08-03 16:42:18 UTC
Not all profit is isk/hr. Time is a resource. By ratting faster, you use less of this resource.

By your logic, the ultimate end game of EVE is using civilian mining lasers to mine veldspar in the newbie systems. 0 isk investment. Sure, it'll take you a while to make that billion isk, but your return on investment is infinite / undefined.
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#48 - 2012-08-03 16:57:10 UTC
WTB fully t2 fit Tengu, 500 million isk. Cool

John Hancock
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-08-03 17:40:27 UTC
I read half your post. Why do you feel so strongly about it that you needed to type this out? Are you angry that some people like to fly expensive ships while you dont? I am confuse.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#50 - 2012-08-03 17:47:25 UTC
Wait Am I the only one who Blings ships for No reason?

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Serptimis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-08-03 17:47:57 UTC
Next you'll be telling me I overpaid for these $1000 pants
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#52 - 2012-08-03 18:27:53 UTC
OP just does not value his RL time.

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Trin Xi
#53 - 2012-08-03 18:54:35 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
Wait Am I the only one who Blings ships for No reason?

Wrex.

Oh sorry, wrong thread. Anyhow, it's not for no reason, right. I mean 10 more DPS is still more DPS.

Post with someone else's main™.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-08-03 18:56:50 UTC
What about time? An officer/faction fit ship will undoubtedly make more ISK faster than a simple T2 fit ship of the same kind. THAT is simple math.

The way I see it...If I make ISK 25% faster in a faction ship then it pays itself off when I have made the cost of my ship x3 minus the cost of a T2 ship.

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Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#55 - 2012-08-03 19:04:07 UTC
Bleh to expensive Tengus, I fly cheap T2 fit NIghthawks. I am not in a hurry to finish anything and the cost of a T2 Nighthawk is nothing and it does the job just fine. If the hull is too large for something than I jump in a Wolf, another cheap ship. I think anyone flying expensive fit Tengus know the risk they are taking though so they have nothing to cry about if -when they lose it.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-08-03 19:04:52 UTC
I belong to the 1% and therefore fit my ships accordingly. 
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Parsee789
Immaterial and Missing Power
#57 - 2012-08-03 19:22:28 UTC
I do agree that fitting officer mods are stupid most of the times. The only time you should really pimp out is if the ship is expensive by the hull itself.

Its common practice to fit A,X-type Deadspace mods on multibillion isk Supercarriers and Titans. The ships are 30-100 billion, the cost of the modules are a means to improve and protect that vast investment.

People would laugh at you if you didn't pimp your multibillion isk coffin.


I never understood however why people overpimp their mission ships, if I had that much money, I would never do missions again in my life.

Trin Xi
#58 - 2012-08-03 19:27:44 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
What about time? An officer/faction fit ship will undoubtedly make more ISK faster than a simple T2 fit ship of the same kind. THAT is simple math.

The way I see it...If I make ISK 25% faster in a faction ship then it pays itself off when I have made the cost of my ship x3 minus the cost of a T2 ship.

It's less about the amount of ISK (at least for how I fit ships) than about how fast I can burn through a mission. I can generally spare 30 to 45 minutes for a mission (or three, if with friends), but with low DPS or a poor tank, some of those L4s can take 60 to 90 minutes.

That's also part of the difficulty with my null-sec character. I rarely have a three hour block for a deployment hooked up to mumble with no afk time.

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Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-08-03 19:33:43 UTC
I do have a reputation to uphold darling! Now do you care for some tea?

After all, one must always be civil.

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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-08-03 20:57:35 UTC
Weasel Juice wrote:
Imagine a scenario where somebody overly pimps a ship with officer and/or high grade deadspace modules for better PvE performance. He pays X isk for the whole fitting. Now after he earns another X isk with that ship + fitting, he assumes the fitting paid for itself and is now showing the extra profit. Wait a second, you don't need to imagine that. You all probably know people yourself that do that way.


Why are people that dumb?


The way I see it:

Compare two Tengus, one being a staple T2 fit costing 500mil overall including ship, the other one pimped out costing 5bil including ship.

Now the T2 fit, with whatever you are doing, can produce a solid 80mil per hour.
The pimped fit, doing the same thing, can produce a solid 100mil per hour.

So the pimped fit will pay back for itself *when* that extra 20mil per hour covers the difference between the 500mil and the 5bil. Meaning the majority will believe that the pimped fit paid for itself whenever you have earned 5bil - BUT...

... in truth it will have paid for itself whenever you have earned 22.5bil with these figures. This becomes even more extreme when you have a simple T2 fit, with faction damage mods. Then all the faction painters and super expensive tanks don't really contribute that much anymore.


Now I do realize that making a ship expensive it can have its benefits:
* It can be an entry card for certain incursion fleets (ISN) - which naturally give a lot more profit. But incursions are arguably the smallest percentage of carebearing.
* It can allow to be able to do certain sites to begin with. Switch your ship for an Ishtar, or just fit the bare minimum tank for any site you do.

But the brutal truth is:
You will lose your ship sooner or later. Making it utterly expensive effectively removes CONCORD protection (yes they will still take revenge, but that won't matter if you lose 5bil, and the suicide gankers only lose a couple hundred mil in nados, while potentially looting several billion of your loot - and the more expensive your ship gets, the more likely this will be).

And if you live in 0.0/lowsec, you will be hunted regardless - well even more so if they know you are flying shiny.
* Eventually you will do a mistake
* Eventually you will be unlucky
* Eventually you will have a backstabber in your corp
* Eventually you will have a bug that GMs cannot verify through logs
* -> Eventually you will lose your ship.
Add the fact that people never sell their shiny mods back, they are effectively *spent*, instead of being an re-sellable investment - unless they want to upgrade, which just amplifies everything.


Do people just fail at basic math?

Or is this all just about feeling good when you see all those green, blue and purple things in your mods icons?


Only a very insecure person would tell someone else they are dumb for playing a video game how they want.

Something does not to have to pay for itself to be enjoyable or "worth it". Otherwise, most things would not exist.