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I Realy want a Mother Ship! CSM notes

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1 - 2012-08-03 16:32:11 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
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Seleene said, "I want to cloak my secret pirate starbase." Greyscale said that might be a possibility, then shocked the entire room by mentioning offhand, "I really, really, really want to let you put a jump drive on them." The whole room erupted into smiles. He then continued, "Not just right click cyno jump, but you put a beacon down and it takes something like 48 hours before you jump." He wanted to do this to allow small gangs to have a roaming base.


Good idea but making a Mothership instead is even better one!

heck why not make a xl size modular pos that is actually a Mother Ship?

i dont think small medium or large should have a jump drive but i do think a Mother Ship should...

what do you guys think?

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#2 - 2012-08-03 16:46:18 UTC
This was the original design idea of Titans, but CCP discovered that the way the server works means that if you try to dock a ship in a ship the universe divides by zero and then it's GAME OVER, MAN.

I will assume this is an innate database build design limit and we'll not see a "ship" that can ever act as a starbase.

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Jim Era
#3 - 2012-08-03 16:46:21 UTC
in every space movie there is always a mothership. so
why nawt? I'll never be able to afford one anyways so it doesn't really affect me

Wat™

Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#4 - 2012-08-03 16:50:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Xercodo
We need something like this for wormholes, otherwise WHs will never have the nomadic lifestyle that CCP hoped they would.

Edit: I also support this as a K-space thing too of course :D

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#5 - 2012-08-03 17:02:52 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
This was the original design idea of Titans, but CCP discovered that the way the server works means that if you try to dock a ship in a ship the universe divides by zero and then it's GAME OVER, MAN.

I will assume this is an innate database build design limit and we'll not see a "ship" that can ever act as a starbase.


perhaps it would work the same way a sma works?

like in an orca and carrier it works fine so why not for a mom... just make it so you cant dock while in the ship...

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#6 - 2012-08-03 17:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
That was my exact point in the F&I forum.

A mobile station is pretty much the text book definition of a Mother Ship in almost any SciFi series you can name.

If you design it as a POS that it just so happens can jump (and "possibly" move or warp incredibly slowly) instead of designing it as a ship that has POS or Outpost like functionality, that would be ideal.

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XxRTEKxX
256th Shadow Wing
#7 - 2012-08-03 17:20:28 UTC
I have seen a lot of similarities between EVE and the Stargate series. The Ori ships remind me of Amarr. Wraith hive ships look like the Machariel. The command drone ships in Stargate Universe resemble Gallente drone boats. Even the Rokh has some similarities to the Daedalus class ships.

My point is that Atlantis had a stardrive that made the city have ability to leave a system and actually traverse to another galaxy. I think a mothership or a pos that could relocate via a jump drive would be cool.
Spurty
#8 - 2012-08-03 17:22:16 UTC
The problem was that the guy docking the ship was running MacOS.

We all know what happened in "Independence day" when Pod Pilot Jeff Goldblum docked his ship in the mother ship.

48 hour spool up time to launch a tower to another system is epic funny. What happens if they chose a free moon, but in those 48 hours someone puts up a tower at the destination?

PHYSICS SAY NO

I Say BRING ON THE EXPLODSIONS

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-08-03 17:36:06 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
This was the original design idea of Titans, but CCP discovered that the way the server works means that if you try to dock a ship in a ship the universe divides by zero and then it's GAME OVER, MAN.

I will assume this is an innate database build design limit and we'll not see a "ship" that can ever act as a starbase.

thought titans were originally just battleships with 8 high, mid and low-slots....

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#10 - 2012-08-03 18:34:35 UTC
Spurty wrote:
The problem was that the guy docking the ship was running MacOS.

We all know what happened in "Independence day" when Pod Pilot Jeff Goldblum docked his ship in the mother ship.

48 hour spool up time to launch a tower to another system is epic funny. What happens if they chose a free moon, but in those 48 hours someone puts up a tower at the destination?

PHYSICS SAY NO

I Say BRING ON THE EXPLODSIONS


indeed... whoes to say that in the future a pos will have to be put at a moon?

there are plenty of other celestials you could park it in...

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Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#11 - 2012-08-03 18:37:16 UTC
meh the Borg-Cube-but-with-a-jump-drive described in the minutes sounded much cooler than boring old MS

There should be a rather awesome pic here

MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-08-03 18:41:21 UTC
I want POS to be removed and replace with really slow ships that can depoly much like the mining capital ship.

When deployed they get increaded fences via a reinforcement timer. Also many modules would only be useable while deployed. But then we should be able to un deploy them into a mobile version with 20m/s speed *deep space 9 anyone?* The timer to depoly and un depoly should be around 12 hours. About the same length as the reinforcement timer.

Also they should be affordabe. I want small medium and large mtherships. maybe each having a different refiefrocement timer and depoly times.

When in mobile mode if you dock with them you should able to use them like any other normal ship. Plus graphical they could work like V3 ships. With new parts adding on as you equip them.

Finally while mobile these stations, or other ship should be able to cyno at will with a special cyno that only large ships can carry and depoly. During combat they could be docked with so people could lose thier ship, dock with thier personal mothership in battle and undock in a new ship.

If you risk the station in battle there is no reinforcement timer. And if destroyed everything inside is lost forever. Everyone should have thier own person mothership to bring with them into battle. !

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-08-03 18:44:39 UTC
I suggested this about a year ago and it got flamed and shot down by everybody...now everybody likes the idea?

I am a genius ahead of my time.

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Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
#14 - 2012-08-03 18:48:21 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I suggested this about a year ago and it got flamed and shot down by everybody...now everybody likes the idea?

I am a genius ahead of my time.

Alternatively you're one of many who bring this up every couple of months, and you just havent spotted the plethora of Pos rework threads that basically suggest 1 of 3 things.

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#15 - 2012-08-03 18:49:23 UTC
I'd think more along the lines of a strategic capital ship... a T3 capship built out of modules, like a strategic cruiser. This way it could be anything, from mobile warfare HQ to a factory or science ship.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-08-03 18:58:44 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
This was the original design idea of Titans, but CCP discovered that the way the server works means that if you try to dock a ship in a ship the universe divides by zero and then it's GAME OVER, MAN.

I will assume this is an innate database build design limit and we'll not see a "ship" that can ever act as a starbase.


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King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#17 - 2012-08-03 18:58:57 UTC
Once upon a time, eve had actual mother-ships. They had clone facilities, large ship bays, refitting services, the works. Then some idiot decided they weren't used enough so they should be "buffed." By "buffed" they meant completely abandon that mother-ship role and replace dreadnaughts as the primary fleet dps weapon. Thus they were renamed super carriers and abandoned the role they were originally intended to fill. Am I bitter? No...Roll.

Regardless, I love the idea of mobile personal bases you can park anywhere in space you damn well please. I've always shunned the whole POS mechanic as it simply isn't relevant to my play style, but this idea of small, mobile bases that can easily, even if slowly, be moved around, that appeals to me. I hope those ideas come to fruition.

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Jason Xado
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-08-03 19:45:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Xado
Spurty wrote:
The problem was that the guy docking the ship was running MacOS.

We all know what happened in "Independence day" when Pod Pilot Jeff Goldblum docked his ship in the mother ship.

48 hour spool up time to launch a tower to another system is epic funny. What happens if they chose a free moon, but in those 48 hours someone puts up a tower at the destination?

PHYSICS SAY NO

I Say BRING ON THE EXPLODSIONS


Read a bit further. POS will be deployable almost anywhere.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#19 - 2012-08-03 20:09:09 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Spurty wrote:
The problem was that the guy docking the ship was running MacOS.

We all know what happened in "Independence day" when Pod Pilot Jeff Goldblum docked his ship in the mother ship.

48 hour spool up time to launch a tower to another system is epic funny. What happens if they chose a free moon, but in those 48 hours someone puts up a tower at the destination?

PHYSICS SAY NO

I Say BRING ON THE EXPLODSIONS


indeed... whoes to say that in the future a pos will have to be put at a moon?

there are plenty of other celestials you could park it in...


CSM Minutes seem to imply that you don't need to anchor the "New POS" to a moon.

edit -- or celestial for that matter.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#20 - 2012-08-03 22:01:16 UTC
There are a lot of problems with your mothership idea within the context of the POS revamp. One of the goals is to give people their own little home outside of stations. No matter how you work it, a mothership is fundamentally a personal asset. Yah you can allow others to rummage through the corp hanger, when the mothership pilot is logged in... but it's not always there when you need it and the corp as a group can't really do much with it. Having your POS stuck in one place for 48 hours makes it vulnerable, too. A mothership just wouldn't scale properly. I think, from what I've read of the CSM minutes, that CCP and the CSM are on the right track.

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