EVE General Discussion

1)Problem - too few people try low sec because of getting their asses handed on the first gate and never trying again.
2)Solution - buff sentry guns.
3)????
4) Profit = tears.

If this will bring more people to low sec, then it's a good change. Maybe players will have to work a bit more then get it easy mode. Yes its easy mode, if you disagree then you obviously fail at gate camp.

This is all ,lets make game more dumb like WoW is.

Yes there was gate camps,but you can use map and avoid them.You can use dir scan and see if there is station camp.Where is problem?

CCP Greyscale vision is so bad that is hilarious.He is making crime watch more simple.Can flipper and GCC idea and in same time we are getting barges with ore cargo size of jetcan?Why the hell someone will use jetcan if you have cargo so big ?

Arenas?That is so so WoW and GW2 .And now gate guns ,to make and try of solo pvp even more bad.Like warp to 0 was not enough.

It is funny how people that defend this pile of crap streaming from this part of devs are proud they are playing "hardest mmo" ever ,but in same time don't have any problem to constant make it more dumb plans.

If caps were problem you could fix that simple ,not just blap universal idea cause you are lazy to think about outcome of your plan on other players that don't use caps as ships.This is just showing more that certain devs don't play this game much.And what is worse it looks they are kinda trying to lure more "lets hold hands" people.

Low sec is last place of real pvp,there was camps but use map and figure out how to pass trough.Real pvp is not just big fleet of xy cattle talking smack in local and enjoying TiDi while they press F1.There is also players like Kil2 and many like them that enjoy playing on smaller scale and use brain more often.

Sure, I'll make a note to have another look at this and get some more player feedback when we start finalizing the designs.

Make sure they're eve players you get feedback from, don't accidentally ask the wow community, since the entire crimewatch thing seems very wowplayerish

So first on the plus side, orca camps will now be gone which is a good thing... and thats about it.

On the negative side:

The usual gatecamp willc hange a bit as said earlier instalocking sniping battleships or tier3s with friagte tackle (like a keres + hyena + remote sensor boosting frig) at the gate.

Carebears wont come into lowsec, they usually dont die to camps the die in the belt/mission they are in which emans their risk is pretty much the same.

You nerf any roaming gangs to the ground as said numerous times before fights happen at gates (imagine a nullsec without gates where people can fight, nothing will happen), and most fights take more than 5minutes!

And finally your nerf roaming frigates/crusiers and armor tanking into the ground, lets say im a flashy and im taking my vexor/rupture/(any passive armor ship, even more relevant for frigates) this means that every time i move from system to system i will be shot by the gateguns (even without gcc) which will not instapop me but it will hit me for something, this means a passive frigate/crusier cant do more than 5/30jumps before dying to gateguns, and going into a fight with lower armor is a big disadvantage, so you will be forced to dock up in every sytem you go to! And non flashy friagtes will just sit at gates beeing able to kill every flashys easily as they will have sentrys on their side, even when the nonflashy atacks first!

Nerf orca camping and be done with it, the proposed changes are absolutly ********!

And this is coming from a pirate who never gatecamps at all!

No, he won't become a low-sec player because instead of "gate camps 24/7, EVERYWHERE!" it's going to be "combat probes 24/7, EVERYWHERE!" This change will not change the collective carebear perception of low-sec.


You know, I've never seen one of these triage carriers at a gate, because I don't go to the two systems in the entire game where this could be a problem. If this is such a big issue for you guys (not enough missioners in Amamake? really?), then just do what some other guy said a few pages back and make sentry dps scale with signature radius. That way, frigates could barely be affected, battleships could be in a similar position to the current one, and caps would take fighter-bomber-like damage.

Also, for the love of god, don't make NPCs aggro people for can theft.

Also don't go -10, or flip a can, or do anything that could upset anyone. Particulary miners.

If the dmg is low enough that frigates/cruisers can fight on the gate for a min or so, it´s a good change.

For whatever reason, Rooks and Kings don't gate camp much. Twos and threes fly through our home system all day and we tend to only form up if there's a proper fleet around. But in regard to this, some things I'm wondering:

- How would a fleet get home? Let's say we go and engage 80 Maelstroms or Tengus on a POS in low sec, with 30 Navy Apocalypse and triage carriers. If we win, we have to fly back. But our generally 0.0-based enemies, with hi-sec status, could then simply bridge tacklers in front of our fleet. If they tackle one faction BS, only he can aggro back. If the whole fleet aggresses, and then triage carriers drop to rep him, we'd have less than a triage cycle to kill the 0.0 fleet before the gate guns kill us.

- Essentially, that would mean we'd have to carrier jump back, using an alt on a cheap clone to jump in a carrier to store the faction BS, pass the carrier to the HG slave clone, who then jumps it home. We could do that but not all alliances would have players financially placed to all have multiple capital alts.

- What happens in a fight on a gate? We regularly put multiple capitals on gates and not to camp but rather to engage fleets of 0.0 alliances returning from Tech moon sieging and such-like. Their sec-status will be good, so we already take gate gun aggro and are likely to be vastly outnumbered in the fight.

Now you might argue that since RnK have low sec status we're the bad guys and since the powerbloc fleet have 5.0 status they deserve to be immune to us jumping them. However, is Eve really always as simple as that? Does it reflect the emergent gameplay of Eve? It's always a matter of perspective, of course. But, for example, do Goons even want to be 'the good guys'? I think they want to be good bad guys, so to speak (at least some of the time). Isn't it a little odd that Rooks and Kings, with our occasional bursts of e-honour, would not be able to jump them in low sec?

In this sense, there's more to Eve than a sec status.


- If you consider the changes, a lot of great low sec fights would no longer happen. For example, in this fight we engaged a CFC camp that was escorting freighters. Although they had 100 guys, including supercapitals, they were after all not flashy and so we were taking gate gun fire to intervene.

If you consider this fight, we were engaging with many triage on a gate against White Noise and co., who had been baiting with capitals and Abaddons. The general talk of the channels was that they were looking for trouble and we felt obliged to spring the trap. But although they were seen as the 'predatory' 0.0 block members who'd come to the region, they were not flashy and no local group would have the sec status to have engaged them under the new changes.

If you consider this fight, we would have been unable to go home by gate after killing all the Maelstroms, due to being flashy and vulnerable to counter-drop. Ironically, that fleet had come specifically to the area to fight us for the experience of it, an invitation we'd no longer be able to accept under the new guns.

And that's just glancing through a page or two of Failheap's Low sec thread, the largest thread on the battle report forum.


- There was recently a four-way fight in Black Rise that involved Shadows of the Federation dreads, Snuff Box carriers, Wolfsbrigade dreads, Only For Fun supers, Fatal Ascension dreads, NCdot supers, X13 carriers and dreads and a number of other parties. This all took place on a gate.

Rooks and Kings attended with a Pantheon fleet, which survived intact. Now, under the new changes, aside from the fact that there would be no chance of survival (certain death can be romantic sometimes), there is a broader issue: the 'low sec alliances' would not be able to attend a party like that in their home.

SOTF, Snuff Box, Wolfsbrigade, Only For Fun and co. all have players who were taking gate gun aggro in that fight. I can understand home territory not 'boosting' groups or offering an advantage but why would all these groups be made unable to fight against 0.0 capitals in their back yard?


I'm not against increasing low sec traffic but surely there are fairer ways - e.g. spawning faction police on the low sec side of high sec gates after a certain period of time, or making special warp core stabs against insta-locking HICs, or preventing an Orca jumping a gate when carrying aggression timer ships, etc.