EVE General Discussion

I think most people are pissed, since gates are the only narrow path in low sec, if you don't catch them there, it will be harder to catch up to them later, since the universe is wide open.

Again your making my point ... aka pirate response "CCP is making it harder". Of course they are, its too easy right now. Thats the whole point.

I never fought your point, everyone else did. (If I remember correctly) Also thanks for making me look like I support the loser in the thread. Its gonna be so hard to maintain reputation now.

Well his post was somewhat vague, and I'm kind of assuming some of this will be clarified, but conceptually I understand what they are trying to acomplish.

Make it harder for the pirates, open up opertunities for people trying to get it, hence more traffic, more potential interaction and more potential fights.

I don't know I may be off, but it just makes sense to me.

I kind of liked it too, but his DPS is really high, for something you cannot attack back at. You just fly in, get groped by the TSA sentry guns, and can't do **** about it. He did try to add fun interaction with the sentry guns, but them also being solo pwn mobiles is a bit strange.

Not sure multiplying the amount of 1 second instalocking stuff going on at the gates will help. Low sec is barren enough as is.




Woe on us if we let the free sandbox game also allow for consensual PvP!

Do you need a specific reason more than "for fun and tears" to go out and gank anybody? Same applies to those willing to engage into "consensual" PvP. I call it consensual not because excludes unconsensual PvP to happen but because it's not the usual "take it well deep into the **BEEP** kind of PvP we are accustomed to see in hi sec.

Do they get their little stinky instance? No.
Do they face the *consequences* and lose their ships? Yes.
Will that enormously boost PvP in the PvP game? Yes.

Yes I noticed how since they introduced can flipping to engage 1 v 1 the game completely died. NGE? Trammel? Nothing compares to this abomination!







Oh wait.

Yeah but how could we give up on baseless speculation, fear uncertainty and doubt and pre-emptive gnashing of teeth!
It's stop being a true EvE forum!

Greyscale is desperate to turn EVE online into a crappy wow clone in space.

I mean really, making can flipping a global 'suspect' action that allows all of eve to kill you, and triggers the wrath of the (now buffed) gate guns?

PVP "arenas"?

Sticking artificial limits on real fights by making npcs wipe out carriers in four minutes?

What in the actual ****

Quotes from CSM & CCP Meeting minutes, May 30th – 1st June 2012 pages 95-96:
Aleks pointed out that the one real concern is that removing can-flipping means removing the one way for a legitimate 1 vs. 1 to occur in high sec.
CCP Greyscale proposes instead that there be a flag fleet-to-fleet option that would allow free fighting to occur.
Aleks supported this possibility.
CCP Greyscale explains that it would enable two fleets to enter a temporary state of wardec, that would function exactly like a concord-sanctioned wardec from a mechanical standpoint, it would simply last for 15 minutes or whatever the agreed-upon time would be.
Two step jokes that there should be a "dueling glove" item (purchasable by Aurum) that you could drop in a can and if looted it would prompt such a flagging.


Think of all the consequences this brings in along with crimewatch "suspect" tags and Sentries that is not quoted here but you can find it on pages 93-95 of same minutes. Lowsec will be depopulated completely thanks to these ideas. Highsec will become even more "hello kitty in space". Fleet fights with wardecs of 15 minutes? It changes the fundamentals of the game. Now if you want fleet vs fleet fight you have to go to Wormholes, Lowsec, Nullsec or wardec. If you will be able to run 15 minutes fleets wardecs in high sec what's the motivation to go anywhere else but high sec? There will be entire systems where fleets will meet and see if they want to fight etc. It will turn into Arenas. PvP and population in other areas of the game will go lower and lower. Who needs to risk too much or even learn something new if you can have nearly same fun with no risk. Who needs to search for targets if it will take longer and longer time to find any targets. Etc etc etc.

Arenas no matter how simple and appealing it sounds will change the game fundamentally. But hey who listened to us when they planned Incarna release? We were saying its bad idea. Took a few thousands unsubscribes for them to realize they are thicker then they imagined. They recovered from Incarna with Crucible. Arenas? They will not recover from that level of change because unsubs will be massive.