EVE General Discussion

The interesting bit is the fact that e.g. white glace is rising damn fast, whereas goons only interdict gallente ice mining atm (may have missed some events, as I'm not really actively playing atm).

Pure speculation? Dev info leaked? Who knows...

They have expanded their reach, it is now just not in Gallente space that they are paying out bounty's, you can get them in Caldari space now and soon Minimatari space. Could be just a matter of time before all of hisec miners are under attack.

Whatever....what i'm also trying to imply is....if hisec POSses getting closed cause of beeing anylonger profitable due to the iceproducts prices rising to the stars....production will also get a huge impact so will research and more stuff going down within hisec, not speaking about t2 production which will after a while be fully in the hands from the 0.0 allys so they can whenevery they want totally manipulate the t2 market.

or as mentioned before by a former post from me come up with the threat to the still present hisecpopulation as following:

Hisec ally: 'if you want to have t2 products to your pleasure with an modest price you will have to leave hisec and join us so you get the supply's you're looking for....from now on we're totally blocking t2 product delivery to hisec so you are all F****ed!! Mhuahuahuahua!!!'

this is just a vision what 'Can happen' but Must not happen.

Again we'll see what will come but i'm very dissapointed about CCP even thinking about the step at all.

Ironically, NONE of these arguments hold water until someone (CCP) can put percentages on the table justifying why the idea even needs a mention.

So little of nullsec ice is mined now. It's mostly purchased/hauled from highsec. A lot of it from 0.0 alliance bots.

Yes, there will be massive impacts on research, T2 invention and manufacture given that sooo much of that is done by the carebears in highsec.

Having said that, good moons are a rare commodity, not accessible to your average player and yet carebears still build and sell T2 with little problem.

I can't see loss of ice to highsec as a major issue providing, and this is the key, it becomes a profitable enough commodity to make 0.0 indy chars actually go mine it and transport it. And this concerns me. If they don't, T2 production, BPO research etc. will be left purely in the hands of 0.0. (not enough slots CCP!)

CCP would know that 0.0 MUST mine the ice if they remove it from highsec. If they don't, the Eve economists will react very quickly because inflation will go through the roof or worse, carebears will simply throw their hands up and say, I quit.

Of course, it could also promote alliances helping carebears get into 0.0 - if for nothing more than to ensure their own supply is maintained. Otherwise there will be CTA's for Mackinaw gangs to form up.

imho, the idea of a reduced supply is best solution. A scannable ice belt seems most logical. I run a single medium Blood faction tower for BPO research and I need less than 20 cubes of ice a day to run it. About 20 minutes work on 3 chars.

If you're a greedy pig with 20 towers and you're in highsec cash grabbing, then maybe you need to go do some real work out there.... you know.... space.....

and like 95% of highsec ice miners are bots

I doubt it - I 've actually mined ice in high and using a bot for it would be overkill. If I mine ice, it's because i can use Hulk characters, fit them for cargo and check every 25 minutes whilst doing something else.

If I'd use a bot, I 'd let him belt-rat or at least have him mine roids. A bot woubld be heavily underchallenged mining ice.

Not sure where the number comes from but seems fair , but how much of that is to fuel 0.0 and how much fuels highsec POS's... Who actually needs the yardstick taken to them? Highsec bears or 0.0 alliances?

Nonethelesss, the more I think about this, the more I like it.

Once thing for sure, if only 0.0 has the ice, they are NOT going to mine it for highsec unless the price becomes 100x what it is.

But some good things.....
- It will force 0.0 alliances to be more independent and could force some very interesting chokepoints.
- In reality, it's only going to kill off highsec POS's and it's not going to hurt T2 production 'cos just take it station side.
- It WILL hurt BPO research, which might be a good thing (Apostle goes to market to buy up BPO's for research)
- It may entice carebears out into "the void"....

What I find interesting is why GSF (given the CSM is mostly GSF) are pushing for this? It may well be a case of "be careful what you wish for"... It'd be far too easy to shut a 0.0 alliance down by doing the very thing that GSF is doing in highsec.

Unless...... unlesss...... You're also looking for a nerf on cloaky SB's or a buff to cyno-jammers??

I can smell the Scorch bomb cordite from here....

hi having studied the highsec ice miner extensively (while killing him) and knowing the other people who have studied equally extensively or more, i am the resident expert on the subject and I can assure you that the things are bots

its one thing not to rage in local, it's another to continue mining in the belt as macks explode like clockwork every 15 minutes, ignore local where i announce ganks ahead of time, pod mine, etc

LOL So you want to get your iceproduction spoiled by this remove yourselfs....cause i'm pretty sure it was YOUR Master CEO The Mittani who brougth the Hisec ice remove on the table and nobody else.

That's so ironic i'm apparently laughing my bum off cause of this idiotic move and more. Giving the idea to CCP to remove hisec ice and then telling your cheapest resource for Ice products IS currently hisec.......OMG how stupid is that?!

Possible idea- Make some npc stations (or player) in low/null that offer much higher return from ice... like double of that in high sec.
This would make mining near these stations would obviously be encouraged, but so would the selling of unrefined ice to Jump Freighters to transport to max yield stations.
Everyone wins here a little.
High sec miners get to keep their ice mining, a pretty much passive income that can be done for long amounts of time
Low sec gangs get new possible targets as industrial transport ice through sectors
Null sec (and low maybe) will see increased mining of Ice, as it might be safer than trying to transport it, as well as possibly seeing a decrease in cost to run their facilities due to increased refining.

Goons - Still get fun targets to hit in high sec