EVE General Discussion

What an informative post title.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=139804&find=unread

Honestly, I have no idea as to what is the point of these proposed changes; someone please enlighten me.

Would this honestly increase pvp in low-sec? 4.5 minutes seems a pretty short time before you have to start thinking about loosing your carrier. Actually, I've never seen a carrier at a low-sec gate camp (or any gate camp for that matter.)

Yet more blob support and a kick in the arse to soloers. pathetically out of touch.

It sounds like the idea of the gate gun changes is to prevent what happens in systems like Rancer and Amamake and pretty much nowhere else in the game. Hopefully it won't end up that way and since those potential ideas were discussed they've thought about it and thrown away that post-it note.

I just hope it doesn't turn into if you're not max skill with a Sleipnir with Complex Invulns and a Crystal Set go home sort of thing.

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CSM did argue some 0.0 strife was simply to egg on a fight and arenas would take away from that. Yet on the other hand, training rookies in easy to set up scenarios (no can flipping BS), non-fleet oriented people to participate in balanced pvp who don't want to learn via gate camps, or for strictly e-peen fighting could be beneficial.

I love how the CSM spent pages and pages of those minutes trying to define their role in the development process and restating their usefulness in helping CCP to avoid PR disasters, yet they fail to recognize the looming PR iceberg when it comes to those sentry gun changes (and specifically those changes, not the crimewatch stuff as a whole).

I also enjoyed the part where they all patted themselves on the back in regards to the handling of the unified inventory mess when there is still an active 74 page thread begging for a reversion or ANY type of fixes.

These detailed meeting notes are probably the best thing to come out of this year's mostly useless CSM (whom by their own admission do not hold any type of regular meetings) because it allows regular players to spot these impending disasters.

Arenas-if you want to pvp on tranquility you should have to accept all possible outcomes/consequences, and you have to live the life. Right now if you pvp you do it through wardecs or by living in and roaming through null and low. All of these activities put you at risk on a constant basis and expose you to unexpected dangers. If you add a "i want to be at risk for 15 min vs only this many ships button" it not cheapens the awesome experience that is eve pvp it decreases the number of targets for people who want to play eve like the sandbox that it is(boring people and cowards will only press that button and there is nothing better than killing a boring coward). Join rvb if you want a instant action, warp into a faction warfare sight if you want to control the ships and numbers you are figting, dont fundamentally change the way the game is played.

Gate Guns- This is annoying because it is so close to what i wanted but off in a few areas in such a horrible way that it will just kill lowsec. With these changes all you will need to run an effective camp is one sebo cepter with a disruptor and one arty tornado, the lamest type of camper. (have some style use a smart bombing mach). This means those instalock gate camps that discourage so many people from leaving high sec will become 100x easier and more common. I moved to low literally two days after starting my account (I didn't realize that missions increased in levels and figured ratting in low was more profitable than running mission ever could be) At first i got caught by gate camps all the time and it annoyed the hell out of me but i adapted started using smaller quicker ships and i got caught less and less. This seems like another arena move and attempt to make pvp outside of null more consensual and less surprising and interesting. On top of that it will only increase blobs because the amount of damage you will have to put on a target will be crazy and if the guns just start shooting -10s on sight they wont even be able to fight each other on the gate.

people seem to think that non-consensual pvp means the right to gank defenseless people, and it means so much more than that it means being able to adapt to the unexpected (that oh ish moment) it means tricking someone into a fight by playing the victim is impossible (its alot harder to kill a slicer with a rifter if you ask for a 1v1 first) it means that the only limitation in pvp is you and your attitude. This seems like another push to make sov "endgame" and make low a soft lead up.
If you really want to fix low and not just boost null get rid of jump drives, lets see what superior logistics really means.

tldr I agree with op and this is bad

You assume everyone wants a fair fight, which "arena" fights more or less enable.
Highly doubt it will distract people who are camping for industrials and pods or hunting that lvl 5 mission runners, or taking a frig roam around nul looking for easy prey to pad their killmails.

can't wait for arenas. Here is how I see them. You set up objects in space one on the left and one on the right. This creates the field of battle and protects the ships inside.

This stops players from gaming the match with little to no effort. 2 teams go in, one team comes out. OR timer untill the deathshield goes down.

But here is why it's not breaing the sandbox. You can blow up the arena from the outside. You can hot drop in and take out the arena and then kill all of the yummy tasty ships inside.

Arena should be low sec only as they are illegal.





As far as set up PvP taking away from eve, that is a direct insult to my alliance. we do set up fights all of the time. Liek last week we had an atatck fleet and a defence fleet and we fought over a single Super carrier. It was awesome. The rule was if anyone outside showed up we would turn and fight them as a group.

Now here is the catch, adding in a system where we could set up an object in space to set limits and trap everyone inside is AWESOME, and i WANT IT. Plus how cool would it be for a final match to be interrupted and the fleets inside stop fighting each other while a fleet outside bashing in the shields. Once the shields are down they get to fight the 2 fleets inside. think of the panic, think of the fun, think of the sandbox.