EVE General Discussion

That is a lot more time for them to experience and learn lowsec at least. Also it sounds like you are part of the problem why people don't want to go to lowsec. Praying on those that don't nearly have the experience or wherewithal to give you a decent fight. If people know they are just going to get smashed, it turns them off from wanting to return and participate.

Herzog, this change is going to make camping easier, not harder. We'll be able to use 5k-scan resolution frigates to tackle with ease. It's people like camp busters and faction warfare crews that this change will hurt, because being the first to aggro means you'll be the first to eat the sentries.

Hmmm


Perhaps it's simply the cap drop they are after with the 4.5 min cap death idea?


Already there are good crews with instalock setups but I understand what you mean and hope that the aggro mechanics are not as "black and white".

I will concede to you here. They will indeed have more time to experience and learn low-sec. About two to ten minutes more than they would have if they died to a gate camp. And no, I'm not part of the problem; I'm simply playing a game where I shoot targets of opportunity.


It's actually going to be closer to 15,000 dps average over four and a half minutes. Let's say that the carrier has 2 million EHP, and with two repairers in triage mode it will repair another 20,000 EHP per second (two repairers at about 1,000 armor/second, 80% resists, and a triage module which multiplies the tank by 4). Thus, the sentries take out about 7,400,000 EHP in four and a half minutes. That means the average volley per gun is going to be about 27,500 EHP, and because of the buildup, it would actually be significantly more towards the end of those four and a half minutes. We're talking hundreds of thousands in damage per shot.

Please note, above numbers are rough estimates.

Being able to to use interceptors and other frigs to tackle will make it much more dangerous for any industrialists, new players in small ships, etc.

The ramping damage will make it impractical for larger gangs to fight each other on gates. So it's easier to victimize loners and much more difficult to engage gangs who want to fight back. Doesn't sound good if you're looking for fights.

…and that's kind of what I'm after with the whole “what's the problem?” line of questioning.

My immediate impression was exactly that: they're going after some specific form of camping, but they're choosing a solution that ruins all kinds of gameplay and actually makes lowsec even less appealing to those who are reticent to go there. If cap camps are a problem, have the sentries rapid-fire omega-station style citadel torps in response to this obvious precursor to an invasion of empire-sovereign space.

I distinctly feel a lack of detail as far as defining the problem here, and without such a definition, all solutions will be awful because they don't actually solve anything concrete.

first some of us like small gangs. nearly all of my kills are with less than 10 people on the mail. and last I checked the guns were random.
second gate guns are pretty rough on drones. of course the more people there are the less impact they have.
third the orca's bay is rather small, you might save a few bcs/cruisers that way

in my experience when you are in a small camp, usually you have a hic, aa few more, usually either bs or bc. under the proposed change a dual asb ship would probably be able to tank that till the damage gets so much you just die to gate guns. 4.5mins to kill a triage carrier... ouch. hell as is they usually can do a pretty good job fighting back, I remember a few people that would regularly come by and kick our camp in the balls.

perhaps it would make more sense to scale the damage based on the number of people about? although aren't big brawls something that should be encouraged and celebrated? sig based might be okay, I wouldn't really mind a nice big middle finger to caps, then again as said a bunch having a deterrent to small ships is mostly a good thing.

ahhh wtf do I care, I've been all lately

It has to be exponential by the way because if it isn't, the whole frigates being able to survive sentries initially wouldn't be viable. So yeah, by the end of the fifth minute, you'd be getting hit for six-figure amounts.

This will be one of the best updates in regards to PVP in quite a while. This will single handily increase PVP over the next few weeks/months and help with people moving more out of high sec and cause people to really re-think the risk/rewards of lowsec.


The biggest issue with people not wanting to deal with lowsec is simply entering the system or leaving station is just too risky and not worth it. Unless you have 2 accounts or are space rich and have no worries about losing a few hundred mission isk the risk/reward is just not worth it. So they continue on in high sec or wh's.

With this update it will mean more people will now be more willing to enter and explore lowsec while still taking the risks of players being able to engage them. Players will now be willing to take advantage of low sec missions, pi, mining, sites, etc meaning far more chances for PVP. You'll also start seeing far more players using wh entrances/exits, hauling goods in and out and generally far more likely to travel though these systems while still being a possible target.

The only people who this hurts are people not willing to deal with null sov yet want to control a system and the people who do gate camps (which really, thats not pvp). While at the same time there will be a far GREATER number of targets available, they will just require the aggressors to you know, actually put some type of effort into it.

Low sec folks seem to have been too spoiled with the ease of ganking in highsec and should embrace a change like this. Now instead of dealing with Concord you'll have tons of people attempting to mine in low sec. You'll have players bringing in their shiny new mission running ships and all sorts of new targets to watch for (haulers from wh's anyone?).

I really hope the above poster was being sarcastic/trolling.

Edit: the one above Tippia's post.

Oh man, it's like I'm sandwiched between two idiots now.