EVE General Discussion

Pulled from CCP minutes:

CCP Greyscale turned the discussion to reinforcement timers. His proposal is that starbases would have a smaller core fuel tank which could be locked down for 24 hours. If you had a large starbase that was using a lot of fuel, the core tank would only last for 24-48 hours. A smaller starbase might last a week or a month, with the attacker needing to come back every day to shoot the starbase. This would be the downside to having a large starbase, as you would be more vulnerable to attack.
Elise asked about moored ships when a starbase is destroyed, and Greyscale said that they would all un-moor and be able to be stolen.

Two step asked about being able to individually target guns, and Greyscale said probably.

Trebor suggested that the damage required to lock down a starbase should be tied to the fuel consumption, so that a small starbase would require less damage but spread out over a long time. CCP Greyscale suggested that this could be done by allowing people to attach shield modules to a starbase which would increase shield HP.

Two step expressed some concern with a multiple week reinforcement timer, especially in wormhole space where the fight is often over by the time people start shooting POSes. Requiring players to stay for several weeks to finish the starbases off would be unpleasant. He suggested that the defender should have to perform some action to refuel the reinforcement tank.

CCP Greyscale explained that he was mostly thinking about nullsec with this mechanic, to make it difficult to destroy someone's personal starbase.

I don't really manage POSes, but I can imagine it would be a real frustration and nightmare to have shoot at a POS for several days, instead of the current reinforce system.

This I would imagine would be an awful experience for groups who do not have massive numbers and massive firepower from capital and supercapital ships.

I completely agree.

One of the ongoing themes in 0.0 has been how difficult is to capture undefended space, due to all the timers to grind. Now imagine doing that, but instead every damn POS takes a week to a month of re-reinforcing to blow up.

Completely ridiculous idea IMO. And especially the latter bit:



In 0.0 (for the nitpickers sov-held 0.0) personal assets have no business being any threat. Anything that's maintained by a single person should be at the very most a minor annoyance to an alliance of 1,000 people.

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and the OP should include what was stated before the discussion:

The current state of the starbase redesign is “in concepting”
- It has not had its initial direction pinned down
- It’s not had any kind of formal design assessment
- It’s not had any kind of formal technical assessment
- It’s not had any kind of formal art assessment
- It’s not had any kind of formal QA assessment
- Nothing has been signed off by anybody at any stage of the decision-making process, beyond the initial instruction to begin concept work

"Potential changes" alone is perhaps intentionally vague enough to try to start a riot.

That's why we vote on CSM. These were ideas 3 months ago.

From the discussion I gathered a small personal POS would not be feeding any potential sov systems.. Which by the way includes POS's as a whole not having a giant shield bubble so its not acting as a beach head for a fleet either. Basically you are just trying to blow up someones house, not the seat of system government.

You're coming missing the point.

Instead of spending 2 days, you must now spend a week or maybe a month.

Sounds good for space hermits.

We need more space hermits.

testy.
And that matters? Its not like it will be locking up a moon as they want them located anywhere. They want POS to be used by everyone. Yet the more important it is, the quicker it can be destroyed.
And for wormholes CCP Ytterbium wanted sleepers to aggressively attack them, so you don't have to do a damn thing, just kick them out and the NPCs will slowly clean up the mess. OR Just set up home next door and let your own POS shoot it up.

And in highsec, well, the only POS bashing that usually occurs anyway is if it is off line and you want the moon. Yet if moons are unnecessary for placement... *fart noise*. They could also make normal rats aggressively attack off-lined abandoned X days highsec POSs to keep things tidy.

You might have noticed, the CSM loved these ideas and stated they wanted these POS changes as soon as possible. They also strongly supported the unified inventory rectification situation and had no objections to the disastrous lowsec sentry changes.

Simply put, this is one of the worst CSM's in history. They spent more time arguing about internal CSM policies than anything else - stuff that should have been sorted out maybe 7 or 8 CSM's ago.

Typical.