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I doubt it - from my PoV the general issue is that the backlog of items that both players and developers can agree need significant attention is just far bigger than the willingness of CCP to assign resources to EVE.

CCP developers and the CSM agree on many existing issues, discuss possible solutions - and know there is no way that the feature they just spent an hour discussing will actually be implemented within the next year.
The comment about destroyable outposts being discussed at every single CSM summit was spot on:

What point is there to rehash the same discussions on topics such as "farms and fields", "sov revamp", "mining", ... on every summit (and FanFest) when it is obvious that CCP won't commit the resources to actually implement any of these in the foreseeable future.

And meanwhile CCP is pushing out a half-finished DUST 514 and looking to resume work on WoD (see their hiring advert after 38 studios shut down).

I guess the joke is on me for having believed that things would actually change for the better after last year's debacle.

You are of course right and I am of course ranting a bit - but the two core components of DUST that matter for me as an EVE player - its effect on PI and 0.0 sov - which were hyped as a central part of what makes DUST special seem to be delayed and their eventual design seems to be unclear even to CCP.

(and "no EVE corporations for DUST players, maybe we will cobble together some sort of simplified corporations if we get to it and possibly transition them into real corporations at some later point" is just terrible; DUST players in EVE corporations was one of the features that CCP never failed to mention in any DUST-related interview)

The "How will the DUST<->EVE link actually work?" question that players have been asking for well over a year now seems to be answered with "there won't be much of a link at release" which invites the bittervet in me to draw parallels to similar questions ("What will actual WiS gameplay look like?") that CCP gladly talked about in grand strokes but never answered in a straight-forward fashion.

AFAIK WoD was effectively on ice after last year's downsizing and I liked it that way seems that CCP thinks they can start investing more resources into it once the cash from DUST starts rolling in which is of course not something I am particularly happy with. As an EVE player I would rather see any freed-up resources and additional income used to reduce the backlog that "my" game suffers from.

I watched the FF videos at the time and I read the discussion on the DUST<->FW link in these CSM minutes.

I fully understand that CCP wants to be very careful about not accidentally messing up essential parts of EVE by making an EVE<->DUST link too important while DUST and its players are still poorly understood.

I don't understand that after years of DUST development CCP still doesn't seem to have any detailed design plans on these outstanding features which they could share with the CSM or the players (and I tend to attribute this to shortcomings in the CCP version of agile development as the same issue keeps showing up in completely unrelated projects and teams).

It seems that they designed a game - which is marketed as revolutionary because of its interaction with EVE - as a generic FPS with a link to EVE bolted on during a late stage of (design) development to the point that the intended design of that link will be unclear even at DUST launch.

edit: but at the end of the day, you have access to NDA information and I don't.
So if you tell me that there is no reason to worry about the status of DUST development then I will shut up on that point.

I understand that you guys want more accountability and transparency.

However, this report is 165 pages of jibberjabber.

Is there a bulletpoint version for those of us that don't care about your needs to be accountable and proper and transparent and all that is "good"?

If not, I guess I'll take a over the next few weeks but right now there is a lot of stuff I don't need to know/care for and it will take time to filter out all that stuff.

Thanks!

I don't want to derail this thread into CW discussion, but we're planning on talking about all this stuff in the nearish future. Nothing's final yet, hold onto your hats :)



If the minutes are somehow giving you the impression that starbases aren't a high priority, then there's some miscommunication going on. They're a big damn job to do and they need a lot of runway to get them right, but we're working on it as fast as we can.



The thing is, starbases are a crufty old system that lots of people use and lots of people dislike using, and we've got to tackle them at some point. If you're classifying "jesus features" purely on size, then ruling them out means we'll never redo the corp management interface, or lowsec, or s&i, or sov warfare, or any of the other "big" projects that everyone wants dealt with.

As to stuff from the minutes being cut - yes, definitely. Whatever ships will probably look *nothing like* what's described in the minutes. That's what the big-ass disclaimer at the top of that session is trying to communicate :)




See previous point, but with the additional rider that mainly we discussed things the CSM had issues with and things that had changed since fanfest. If it wasn't mentioned it's probably still planned to work as described originally.



You'll hopefully be happy to hear that we were discussing this exact issue this afternoon, with the goal of ensuring that we're still giving players the tools to safely stage their fleets.

I know doing this extensive and exhausive effort was certainly a burden. So, I just want to thank everyone involved for the hard work that was done in bringing this about.

I will have to admit, my viewpoint has changed about some people because of what they said during the minutes and the discussions and I am glad for that knowledge.

Just posting to show my support for the current CSM and CCP.

GREAT job on the minutes, It's one hell of a read and so far I'm pretty happy about the number of viewpoints being considered on any given topic.

Keep up the good work

And here I thought being the managing editor of EVE Stratics meant that was your job. Perhaps you should look into another line of work that doesn't involve so much reading and writing.

Stressing that this is a BAD IDEA. Like another poster mentioned, all this will do is make for even less fights in lowsec.
A major part of lowsec dwellers are pirates/outlaws and engage under sentry fire a lot.

You're looking at 10-20 man gangs with maybe 1 Triage for reps as a very common theme in lowsec. With these changes these groups (a major part of lowsec pvp) would simply not engage on a gate, hotdrop/trap a neutral roaming gang because the incoming dps for even a 5-10 minute engagement would be too much.

I mean, what are the chances of 20 man bc gang agreeing to fight the Shadow Cartel Faction BS gang with Triage on a planet because SC can't engage them on a gate?

This would DESTROY lowsec.

Seriously, what the ****.