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Because Tinfoil Hattery Reigns Supreme
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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-08-02 19:45:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/08/faction-warfare-because-tinfoil-hattery.html

Shalee Lianne has an excellent blog post concerning the mistrust every faction has for each other.

The idea revolves around Hans Jagerblitzen, who happens to be the CSM representative for faction warfare. He also happens to be a member of the Minmatar faction.

Many people, especially within the Amarr faction, distrust him. Unreasonably, in my opinion, but once tinfoil hats are donned, they are nearly impossible to doff.

(Anybody, who has taken the time to talk with Hans will know him to be an exemplary representative for all of faction warfare. He does not play favourites. He does not shy away from any idea that benefits everybody, even if said idea might be detrimental to a current Minmatar position. For example, he has been a champion of LP reward changes, even though Minmatar have benefitted the most, of any faction, from the current state of LP reward mechanics.)

Shalee's suggestion is to set-up our own mini-CSM for faction warfare, one member per faction (except Minmatar, since Hans is Minmatar) who will discuss issues with Hans. Hans will bring these issues to CCP, as he has been doing and will continue to do. This should alleviate any issues of Minmatar favouritism that people believe exist, due to Hans being Minmatar.

Each faction should nominate two to three candidates. Someone will run a poll, and people will vote on their candidate. (Everybody can vote anyone nominated. Policing who votes for who is impossible. So people will and can vote for candidates not in their faction.)

The last faction warfare roundtable on Ten Evening News should serve as a starting point for viable candidates:

Amarr: Pinky Feldman, Rina Kondur
Caldari: Super Chair
Gallente: X Gallentius, Julius Foederatus, Chatgris, MinutemanKirk

These people can then Skype or TS3 with Hans on some fixed schedule. A couple times per week, perhaps. I'm sure the Minmatar Faction TS could be used, a special ad private FW-CSM channel set-up for this purpose. Or if something completely private is preferred, then Skype can be used.

Perhaps we can enlist Shalee to run the election, set up the polling software (or account). The candidates for election can be submitted to her. If this is something people want, we should aim to have the candidates confirmed by August 15th.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#2 - 2012-08-02 20:03:59 UTC
I'm of the opinion that a lot of these people who cry foul over Hans being a terrible person, dirty Minmatar, abusing CSM privileges or whatever simply want to cause a stink. It's simply proof that the Greater Internet ******* Theory is accurate. People who actually care about the mechanics, about FW, etc. have been getting in touch with Hans and he has been passing along their concerns to CCP.

Example 1) DurrDurrDurr and his Fwedditors saw the "acceleration gate exploit" last night and started shitting up local, accusing Hans of exploiting game mechanics, asking for his resignation from CSM and what not. He said if anyone wanted to get in touch with him about this "exploit" to send him an EVEmail instead of spamming local. He didn't receive any emails from those folk in local about it. Explanation: they just wanted to **** up local in front of their friends to incite some drama, etc.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#3 - 2012-08-02 20:24:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Morons. Complete morons.

Those people on that list are (at least on the Gallente side) already in constant contact with Hans. They don't want to nor do they care to be "officially" elected and deal with the petty drama. Shalee doesn't stay in touch with Hans and would rather post useless drivel on her blog and suggesting stuff that already exists albeit in a unofficial capacity.

And I can safely say with great certainty that some of the people that Poetic mentioned for those respective factions have no interest in being a spaceship politician. They would rather soon lose their docking rights before dealing with the retardedness of the FW playerbase and their constant whining and useless drivel.

If Amarr or whomever wants something fixed, then contact Hans privately like other people do. You'd be surprised as to what you would accomplish with some backchannel communication .

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-08-02 20:32:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Example 1) DurrDurrDurr and his Fwedditors saw the "acceleration gate exploit" last night and started shitting up local, accusing Hans of exploiting game mechanics, asking for his resignation from CSM and what not. He said if anyone wanted to get in touch with him about this "exploit" to send him an EVEmail instead of spamming local. He didn't receive any emails from those folk in local about it. Explanation: they just wanted to **** up local in front of their friends to incite some drama, etc.
I believe DDD's end-game is to discredit Hans because he believes that it will cause a massive loss of morale among the Minmatar. As a master meta-gamer (sarcasm probably intended), DDD believes discrediting Hans will send the Minmatar packing and "Amarr Victors!"

I believe he will continue to try to discredit Hans. This serves tno valuable purpose at all. The suggestion by Shalee, I believe, is to simply discredit the discreditors. If all the factions are working with Hans, and are happy with Hans, then he can't be easily accused of bias.

It would be a shame if Hans could not run next year (or did not get elected), because of all this b.s. that DDD is stirring up.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-08-02 20:34:40 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Example 1) DurrDurrDurr and his Fwedditors saw the "acceleration gate exploit" last night and started shitting up local, accusing Hans of exploiting game mechanics, asking for his resignation from CSM and what not. He said if anyone wanted to get in touch with him about this "exploit" to send him an EVEmail instead of spamming local. He didn't receive any emails from those folk in local about it. Explanation: they just wanted to **** up local in front of their friends to incite some drama, etc.
I believe DDD's end-game is to discredit Hans because he believes that it will cause a massive loss of morale among the Minmatar. As a master meta-gamer (sarcasm probably intended), DDD believes discrediting Hans will send the Minmatar packing and "Amarr Victors!"

I believe he will continue to try to discredit Hans. This serves to valuable purpose at all. The suggestion by Shalee, I believe, is to simply discredit the discreditors. If all the factions are working with Hans, and are happy with Hans, then he can't be easily accused of bias.

It would be a shame if Hans could not run next year (or did not get elected), because of all this b.s. that DDD is stirring up.



Why would anyone work with Hans or any CSM?

They don't represent me and I don't ask some guy in his basement to talk to blizzard for me when I have a bug with SC2
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#6 - 2012-08-02 20:39:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
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It would be a shame if Hans could not run next year (or did not get elected), because of all this b.s. that DDD is stirring up.


What makes you think Hans would run next year? Especially in light all of the whining and accusations he has to deal with? Not to mention that once CCP finishes with the FW iteration by this winter, it's highly unlikely they'll continue working on it sans a few bugs here and there. And you don't really need a CSM member for that.

If Hans were to run for CSM again, the conspiracy theorists in me would say he's doing it to simply grief 2 people/groups;

A) The Amarr
B) Hidden Snake

If that's the case, I hope he does run for CSM again if nothing else but to continue to make those people rage :)

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#7 - 2012-08-02 20:53:13 UTC
I don't even like Hans and I think he's doing a good job.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Almity
In Exile.
#8 - 2012-08-02 21:35:31 UTC
Le Sigh. Still not Caldari! Never have been.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#9 - 2012-08-02 21:41:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Shalee's suggestion is to set-up our own mini-CSM for faction warfare, one member per faction (except Minmatar, since Hans is Minmatar) who will discuss issues with Hans.


Why would anybody want to talk to their enemies other than to mock them (or their ideas like I am now doing)?
Likewise, this kind of clique of "FW representatives" most likely would not represent playstyle of people like me.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#10 - 2012-08-02 21:42:15 UTC
Speaking of tinfoil....

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-08-02 21:42:28 UTC
Almity wrote:
Le Sigh. Still not Caldari! Never have been.
The Roundtable link had you listed as the Amarr/Caldari representative. Fixed.
Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-08-04 16:38:18 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Shalee's suggestion is to set-up our own mini-CSM for faction warfare, one member per faction (except Minmatar, since Hans is Minmatar) who will discuss issues with Hans.


Why would anybody want to talk to their enemies other than to mock them (or their ideas like I am now doing)?
Likewise, this kind of clique of "FW representatives" most likely would not represent playstyle of people like me.


Well theres only a small minority of people who play eve to run around crying about fake death threats, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#13 - 2012-08-04 22:04:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
Abannan wrote:
Well theres only a small minority of people who play eve to run around crying about fake death threats, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few


I speak as a player who sees all forms of cooperation and interaction with hostile militia as fundamentally wrong behavior which should be eradicated before it reaches full growth (so to speak), even if my FW experience would be improved as result of such cooperation.

And as hard it might be for you to believe, I am not the only person in FW who thinks like this.
Ki're Suahien
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-08-04 22:29:35 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Example 1) DurrDurrDurr and his Fwedditors saw the "acceleration gate exploit" last night and started shitting up local, accusing Hans of exploiting game mechanics, asking for his resignation from CSM and what not. He said if anyone wanted to get in touch with him about this "exploit" to send him an EVEmail instead of spamming local. He didn't receive any emails from those folk in local about it. Explanation: they just wanted to **** up local in front of their friends to incite some drama, etc.
I believe DDD's end-game is to discredit Hans because he believes that it will cause a massive loss of morale among the Minmatar. As a master meta-gamer (sarcasm probably intended), DDD believes discrediting Hans will send the Minmatar packing and "Amarr Victors!"

I believe he will continue to try to discredit Hans. This serves tno valuable purpose at all. The suggestion by Shalee, I believe, is to simply discredit the discreditors. If all the factions are working with Hans, and are happy with Hans, then he can't be easily accused of bias.

It would be a shame if Hans could not run next year (or did not get elected), because of all this b.s. that DDD is stirring up.


Implying Durrhurrdurr gives enough fucks about anything to have an end game.
Mithril Ryder
Genstar Inc
#15 - 2012-08-05 08:08:02 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Abannan wrote:
Well theres only a small minority of people who play eve to run around crying about fake death threats, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few


I speak as a player who sees all forms of cooperation and interaction with hostile militia as fundamentally wrong behavior which should be eradicated before it reaches full growth (so to speak), even if my FW experience would be improved as result of such cooperation.

And as hard it might be for you to believe, I am not the only person in FW who thinks like this.


Iirc, you are one of Damar's (many) alts. If not it must be becuase all of you srs-rollplay alts all sound the same.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#16 - 2012-08-05 08:30:42 UTC
I feel kind of bad that when I read the title of this thread, I thought of our dear friend Damar.
And then lo and behold, he'd posted in it. At which point I lol'd until my eyes watered.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?