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Unique aspects of (serious) armor tanking
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Denuo Secus
#1 - 2012-08-01 21:07:51 UTC
Hi,

I'm aware that shield tanking is a very viable (even a better) option for rapid small gang and solo PvP. Kiting, skirmish and hit&run tactics. But all I need here is a moderate shield buffer. All factions can do this. Even Amarr on some ships.

My question is about situations when it comes to serious tanking. That means logistics, carriers and gang links. Especially the utilization of carriers leads to much more static fighting - which nullifies one of the biggest disadvantage armor tanking has. But ofc serious shield tanking can be done very viable as well.

But what can an armor tank do what a shield tank cannot or worse? What are unique aspects of armor tanking? My own thoughts:

- full tank + full tackle
- full tank + utility (ewar, cap, sensors, ...)
- buffer tanking (due to 1600mm plates + slaves)
- sig tanking
- not sure here: brawling

Anything else? Or anything wrong?
McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#2 - 2012-08-01 21:17:49 UTC
Sums it up pretty much. If you want to put it in one generalized sentence, you trade speed and gank from shield tankers versus mid slot utility,(usually) more cap and buffer.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#3 - 2012-08-02 14:15:33 UTC
McRoll wrote:
Sums it up pretty much. If you want to put it in one generalized sentence, you trade speed and gank from shield tankers versus mid slot utility,(usually) more cap and buffer.


Don't forget signature bloat.
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#4 - 2012-08-02 19:44:38 UTC  |  Edited by: chris elliot
Barring ships like sleipnirs and cleverly flown/fitted cyclones. Armor tankers tend to make better brawlers as a collective whole.

That and they can fit monstrous buffer tanks that are not dependent on cap to run, and sacrifice none of their mid slots to do so. So in most cases, being neuted out means nothing in terms of tank. It just means your guns aren't firing until your logi gets to you or your cap booster cycles.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#5 - 2012-08-02 19:47:20 UTC
Armor tanking gets the Archon which is infinitely better than the Chimera/Nidhoggur last time I looked.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-03 08:31:45 UTC
Passive omnitanking module.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#7 - 2012-08-03 08:53:48 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Passive omnitanking module.


This. Also whats up with having 4 different resist mods?
Kikusama
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-08-03 23:11:04 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Passive omnitanking module.


That unfortunately you can't overheat.

Guns make the news. Science doesn't.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#9 - 2012-08-03 23:54:37 UTC
Kikusama wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Passive omnitanking module.


That unfortunately you can't overheat.


And can't be neuted.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#10 - 2012-08-03 23:54:59 UTC
Where armor tank shines, is BS fleets that want sheer numbers of HP. The BS are slow anyway, it's not like an Abby or Geddon are known for kiteing ability. Typhoons, Mega's, Domi's, all these can be plated to hell and add massive HP to the overall fleet.

These however do not
Syg tank
Kite
Run away

Brawling is the only option for them. Especially Blaster fit hulls.