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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#21 - 2012-08-01 20:16:29 UTC
there is no need to change plexing mechanics.

If you really want to fix FW remove special lp store offers and tier system.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#22 - 2012-08-01 22:17:39 UTC
Plex farming is a problem because of the LP reward/risk ratio is too high. Therefore people do it.

Simply reduce LP rewards for plexing....... say 1,000 - 2,500 - 5,000.
give the LP for both offensive and defensive.

and maybe (but I don't think it's needed) increase LP for pvp kills.


Reduce the LP reward/risk ratio for plexing and the plex farmers will move away to more lucrative pastures.

This would still give rewards to those who want to plex to get the benefits of warzone/system control (docking, reduced LP stores etc) and rewards those who are actively engaging in pvp for their militia.


For a long time there was now 'incentive' in game other than what a player gave themselves to plex etc. Now there is too much. Reduce it down and a balance will be achieved.

This is the Tao - The Way - The Universe Desires Balance.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#23 - 2012-08-02 05:39:00 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Plex farming is a problem because of the LP reward/risk ratio is too high. Therefore people do it.

Simply reduce LP rewards for plexing....... say 1,000 - 2,500 - 5,000.
give the LP for both offensive and defensive.

and maybe (but I don't think it's needed) increase LP for pvp kills.


Reduce the LP reward/risk ratio for plexing and the plex farmers will move away to more lucrative pastures.

This would still give rewards to those who want to plex to get the benefits of warzone/system control (docking, reduced LP stores etc) and rewards those who are actively engaging in pvp for their militia.


For a long time there was now 'incentive' in game other than what a player gave themselves to plex etc. Now there is too much. Reduce it down and a balance will be achieved.

This is the Tao - The Way - The Universe Desires Balance.


partially agree ... it is also popular because every 10 days alt can do it.
Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#24 - 2012-08-02 18:08:16 UTC
Xuixien wrote:

No, you weren't right about anything. You claimed FW was an "ISK Faucet". You were wrong. The fact is right now FW is one of the biggest ISK Sinks in the game. You couldn't have been more wrong if you tried. You don't have to admit you were wrong, but really, you'd save more face by keeping your mouth shut than trying to argue about it.


Just to confirm what you are talking about, since you chose to infer it rather than say it plainly, are you saying that since LP is not ISK and selling stuff purchased with LP for ISK is simply a redistribution of the ISK already existing in the ISK Pool, that FW is not an ISK Faucet?

I think the intentional attempt at obfuscation in order to prolong your argument could arguably be grounds for a claim of “Trolling”.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#25 - 2012-08-02 18:18:15 UTC
Renier Gaden wrote:
Xuixien wrote:

No, you weren't right about anything. You claimed FW was an "ISK Faucet". You were wrong. The fact is right now FW is one of the biggest ISK Sinks in the game. You couldn't have been more wrong if you tried. You don't have to admit you were wrong, but really, you'd save more face by keeping your mouth shut than trying to argue about it.


Just to confirm what you are talking about, since you chose to infer it rather than say it plainly, are you saying that since LP is not ISK and selling stuff purchased with LP for ISK is simply a redistribution of the ISK already existing in the ISK Pool, that FW is not an ISK Faucet?

I think the intentional attempt at obfuscation in order to prolong your argument could arguably be grounds for a claim of “Trolling”.


Mate, I already explained the concept of "ISK Faucets" and "ISK Sinks", and explained why Factional Warfare is the latter and not the former. What you call "obfuscation" is really your own trouble understanding what I said.

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Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-08-02 19:10:01 UTC
Xuixien wrote:

Mate, I already explained the concept of "ISK Faucets" and "ISK Sinks", and explained why Factional Warfare is the latter and not the former. What you call "obfuscation" is really your own trouble understanding what I said.


It's largely because when people talk Facets/Sinks they're talking game economy as a whole and most people are not viewing the game on a scale beyond their own personal wallet and just see they're making oodles of ISK even it it's not directly.
Whar Target
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-08-04 01:07:57 UTC
I don't think there's anything wrong with making money off of Faction Warfare. It's the way most of eve works. Control an area so it can be farmed of its resources. There's a certain balance in risk/vs reward or what you need to be able to bring fleet wise to preserve your claim to a resource.

In faction warfare this is completely out of whack. You don't need any real skill what so ever to farm LP all day long in a t1 frigate with nothing but a warp core stab on it. In fact, you are actually rewarded more for doing so, because it makes you barely even worth the effort of killing in an unfit ship and empty clone.

I agree with this thread and fully support a nerf to orbiting plex timers in gunless frigates.
I also support any mechanic that either forces you to stay in the plex or in some way punishes you for leaving it, like maybe you lose LP if an opposing militia member chases you out and flies into the timer radius.

In the mean time I'll keep killing unfit frigs every chance I get, if nothing else just to cut into their isk/hr.

We should figure out a way to boycott FW until CCP fixes it. Maybe shooting farming alts is the answer, even when they are of the same faction.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-08-04 01:16:21 UTC
getting rid of being able to farm vulnerable systems is probably all that needs to be done. Will force PVP as everyone will have to go to the contested systems. Will also get rid of a lot of the farmers as their main source of LP will be gone
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