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And, just because everyone knows its going to happen... In before Poetic.

I fully endorse industry and mining changes (and POS) and its about goddamn time.

I see. Yes those quotes are fine :)

Alright my first questions as I continue to work through it:

Eve Future, specifically about comments made by Seleene and UAxDeath, page 46.





These two statements seem to be diametrically opposed. Are resources (such as moon goo) reasons to fight over (conflict drivers) or not? (even if the incentive isn't quite as strong as really hating some dude's face?)

I love the meeting minutes new format. It is delightful to see the fine details of who said what and it will definitely influence me and my alt's votes for next CSM :)

I like the format and direct quotes. You know the CCP Soundwave quote about having a good system with Ps vs having a bad system without is going to get sig'd.

That being said, a summary paragraph at the start of each section would not be amiss for the TL;DR crowd. I generally read the first page or two of a section, then started skimming.

First, thank you to everyone involved in this. The minutes alone were clearly a massive amount of work. All the proposed changes sound great IMO.

Here is some brief focused feedback from a newer, PVP focused EVE player:

TL;DR: Less penalties/costs for pod death and a better jump clone system please
1. I really like the possibility of a medical clone and jump clone revisions, for two reasons.
First, the SP loss is something that only really hurts newer players who don't know about or remember the SP loss (e.g., in my first RVB null roam I got poded but in my excitement at getting back into the action forgot to upgrade my clone, losing days of SP as a result). The last thing EVE needs is something else that discourages new players from PVPing.
Second, I like the idea of flying T1 frigates even as a vet, but the idea of risking millions in a medical clone is annoying. To simplify things, I'd prefer if medical clones could just be subsumed into jump clones in some way, so that a clean PVP clone could also be a cheap medical clone that would not cost millions to update after pod death. Why not revise the entire clone system in a “memory bank” type of system, where your only “clone” is your current body you fly in and your “memory banks” are like save spots that you can jump to no matter where you are (and where they don't get “moved” once you jump to them and fly around like current jump clones do)?

TL;DR: I want to easily see the drones attacking me
2. On UI changes, one thing I'd really like to see that was mentioned is an improved way to see if/when drones are attacking you. It like an icon on the ship UI, but it would also be nice to have a feature on the overview that was like “display the brackets of ships/drones attacking you,” that way I can easily identify the drones on me and pick them off without having to turn on brackets for all drones and and sort through etc.

TL;DR: I really would like an annual ability to refund some SP and this would help new players
3. On the NPE, I think CCP Alice had a good point about possibly letting new players reset some SP. I've often though it would be nice to have a SP reset much like we have an neural attributes reset. New players get what, 3 neural resets to start? And then you get one a year? It would be nice to have something like that with SP, too, where you could reset one level of one skill, and that would help new players advance more rapidly when they figure out what they really enjoy doing (e.g., refund that level 5 mining and apply it to a gunnery skill once they realize they hate mining). This was what led me to quit EVE when I first started, in fact. I got like 1m SP in mining only to realize I hate mining and want to kill people instead, but didn't like the thought of starting over from scratch with my SP. If I could have refunded, say, industry or astrogelology V and used it on frigate PVP skills I think I would have stuck around.

TL;D: Continue to reduce lag especially in large fights
4. One topic I'm surprised was not discussed more (but was discussed some during the ATX interviews) is lag reduction. I think this needs to be among the topic priorities, particularly with the lag in large engagements. TIDI helps but more needs to be done especially since all of the proposed upcoming changes sound massively server intensive!

The transcript version is very lengthy and difficult to skim without possibly missing something interesting/important but it was still very useful. The end result was that I read about the changes that were most important to me (like POSes) in detail and feel like I know as much as there is to know on the subject as well as knowing exactly how Two Step represented W-Space concerns on the subject (generally well done btw).

On POS changes, I wish that were a much higher priority for CCP, but the transcript allowed me to see that the CSM agreed and voiced that opinion. The POS changes sound very exciting overall, but still several concerns to sort such as small POSes being used to create fortess systems with 2 week timers in W-Space. That would make invasions excruciatingly boring and time consuming. Docking in POSes would represent a significant loss in intel for W-Space if there weren't still some way to count pilots or ships. Cloaking POSes would be...interesting.

Overall I'm pretty happy with what I saw and the sooner we can get Jesus POSes the better.

Here's the obligatory I love the new format comment. I love the new format. now...

"Seleene said, "I want to cloak my secret pirate starbase." Greyscale said that might be a possibility, then shocked the entire room by mentioning offhand, "I really, really, really want to let you put a jump drive on them." The whole room erupted into smiles. He then continued, "Not just right click cyno jump, but you put a beacon down and it takes something like 48 hours before you jump." He wanted to do this to allow small gangs to have a roaming base."

Om my YES! Yes, yes, yes! I know Greyscale says not to get too excited by this, but I'm excited by this.

I would also like to cloak my secret pirate starbase. Perhaps (this is all pillow talk mind you) if you wanted to cloak your starbase you would have to make a tradeoff of defense lets say. Or the cloak would take up enough power that you could not build a "large" base to cloak. It could be a platform for small groups (1-5 lets just say) to operate out of enemy space, or 0.0 in a kind of Bivouac shelter way. It would have to uncloak when people dock (so that enemy could scan it), but adding a jump drive to get there. I need to sit down.

I'll post this here too. The background of every page has large text in it. it's very distracting.

CSM

the simles I can deal with, but text behind other text overlaping each other? why? : (

maybe it only bothers me, if so ignore me lol.

also still reading minutes

It feels like I just read a book.

I like both styles. The expanded with quotes and the more straight transcript both are way better than the older minutes.