EVE General Discussion

I remember this one time I saw an SB off a station in .5 space. When I came back a few hours later and noticed he was still there, I fit up a thrasher and volleyed him. I got quite a lengthy mail question my the integrity of my character as well as assurances of revenge. And his ship was only worth ~60mil - the tears from a hulk gank must be epic...

another thinly veiled goon hate thread



i approve!

From the simple fact that most ganks are profitable because of how the miners allowing themselves to be killed at minimal cost. They may do it for fun or for Hulkageddon, but if they can also do it for free due to the generous donation and participation of their victims, then they will go for those targets over the ones that reduces the amounts of kills.

For Hulkageddon in particular, you have to remember that it's a numbers game: you want as many kills as possible, so if you waste 10 people on killing a single Hulk, you get fewer kills (and less ISK destroyed) than if you could just spend 2 people each on killing 5 Hulks.

…and as someone who lives in a nice ice and ore pipeline, I consistently see the same individual gankers get the same individual GCCs.

Close but not quite. Tanking a barge is largely a moot point because the risk of being ganked at all is pitifully low. In general, it's far better to just make as much ISK as you can and write off the rare ship loss as a cost of doing business.

The Purpose of an Hulk is to return as much money as possible (a fail per se, doing another profession will yield more for much less risk).

Depending on the location the probability of loss might make it more worthwhile to lose an Hulk every now and then than always losing a sizable amount of income per hour.

Why does it need both a Yield and EHP boost? You do understand that the Hulk is not supposed to be the end all ship after the patch.

Because the yeld difference without fleet boosting is clearly unimportant considering the survivability of this ship that is still null if you use the right tool, and no need more than a simple gank brutix to blow it to pieces before you get conkorden.
If you want people to have to take risky decisions you need to give a carrot, not just a golden stick to get hit with. Who will be dumb enough to mine solo with an hulk when you can get almost same yeld with mack but twice the ehp?

So yes, I think hulks need to get about 35K max EHP and +20% yeld than mack for solo work because unlike the Mack, the current sisi Hulk can't fit MLU's without completely sacrifice his tank therefore when you fit for tank you still have less tank than mack but also less yeld (MAck can fit 2 MLU's with a fitting mod and still push at least 38K EHP with 85 resist across the board and I don't even have passive skills at 5, change one MLU for a DCU II and it's a wooping 52k EHP better resists and a ridiculous yeld difference considering the chances you have to get ganked.

there's a subtle but important difference between "works best in" and "only works in"

I am just going to put these numbers up. This is what I feel the ships should end up like without having to bash your head against a rock to make possible.


Hulk should have 25k EHP and also be able to fit 1MLU2 in the lows. This is pretty close to being possible now.
Mak should have 30k EHP able to fit 2 MLU2 or 2 IHU2 in the lows. Remove some of the tank and add more ore bay give slowest allign time.
Skiff 60k EHP with 1 MLU 2 in the lows. remove some of the Ore bay give it back its +2 warp strength give it the fastest aline time of all 3 barges.

And where the heck did you read that part saying Hulks are not solo ships? -you got it out of your intergalactic arse?

Can't you see where the problem is? -the problem is your reasoning.

You want the highest tier ship to be the worst, I want the highest tier ship to not be the worst choice but a valid option witch it is not with current build.