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Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-10-10 23:11:58 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:

Amazingly when one adopts a contrary tone one tends to receive contrary replies.


If your post was relevant to the discussion you'd get a proper reply.

Ladie Harlot wrote:

What's the use of following a train of thought that is so obviously wrong?


People above 10 years of age are usually capable of having a discussion without derailing it with irrelevant points.

But then again, goons have proven themselves over and over again to be complete tools so I don't even know why I am telling you this.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#42 - 2011-10-10 23:54:01 UTC
Cpt Fina—

If you would stop blindly insulting the goons in this thread, then we might be inclined to provide helpful answers. I can assure you that so long as you argue back at us we will be content to perpetuate the Internet slap-fight ad infinitum.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2011-10-10 23:55:29 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Cpt Fina wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:

While the ice miners who hire them may not care about killboard stats, most mercenary groups tend to draw from the "Elite PVP" crowd and those guys invariably care about their killboard stats.



But that's separate from the issue at hand. My post was about the ability to get even by hurting on the agressors.
Is it hard for goons in general to follow a train of thought or is it restricted to the ones that post o the forums?

What's the use of following a train of thought that is so obviously wrong?

If it weren't for my horse, I never would have spent that year in college.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2011-10-11 00:40:29 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Cpt Fina—

If you would stop blindly insulting the goons in this thread, then we might be inclined to provide helpful answers. I can assure you that so long as you argue back at us we will be content to perpetuate the Internet slap-fight ad infinitum.



If anything this community has earned the right to blindly insult the goons. If you don't like being judged then don't join one of the most disliked organisations in eve.

And you seem to be confused once again – I'm not asking for answers, I'm pointing out the idiocy in your posts.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-10-11 01:32:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
I see then that you wish to continue the slap-fight. Very well.

You must be either illiterate or uninformed, since you believe "the goons" to be a guild in EVE Online. It's not. What you call "the goons" refers to a group which exists outside of EVE Online. One does not play EVE Online and then join "the goons," as you state it; instead, one joins "the goons" by being one of "the goons'. This is accomplished by being a member of the Something Awful forums community, what is an entirely independent entity from EVE Online. Those persons, originating from Something Awful, then choosing to play video games together in a guild exclusive to that community constitute "the goons" that you are referencing.

You can find examples of "the goons" in other video games, such as Goon Squad or Elitist Jerks on the Mal'Ganis realm in World of Warcraft; Goon Trek or Starfleet Dental in Star Trek Online; and, probably most familiar to you, Goonwaffe, The Greater Goon, and Elitist Ops in EVE Online. You will notice that the three space guilds I mention by name in EVE Online all exist independently from each other, in their own alliances, and sometimes at odds with each other: that is because, contrary to what your simple mind prefers to believe, "the goons" are not a singular and homogeneous entity that you can typecast like a two-bit charlatan.

Further to this, you are dumb. Regards.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2011-10-11 03:13:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Fina
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I see then that you wish to continue the slap-fight. Very well.

You must be either illiterate or uninformed, since you believe "the goons" to be a guild in EVE Online. It's not. What you call "the goons" refers to a group which exists outside of EVE Online. One does not play EVE Online and then join "the goons," as you state it; instead, one joins "the goons" by being one of "the goons'. This is accomplished by being a member of the Something Awful forums community, what is an entirely independent entity from EVE Online. Those persons, originating from Something Awful, then choosing to play video games together in a guild exclusive to that community constitute "the goons" that you are referencing.

You can find examples of "the goons" in other video games, such as Goon Squad or Elitist Jerks on the Mal'Ganis realm in World of Warcraft; Goon Trek or Starfleet Dental in Star Trek Online; and, probably most familiar to you, Goonwaffe, The Greater Goon, and Elitist Ops in EVE Online. You will notice that the three space guilds I mention by name in EVE Online all exist independently from each other, in their own alliances, and sometimes at odds with each other: that is because, contrary to what your simple mind prefers to believe, "the goons" are not a singular and homogeneous entity that you can typecast like a two-bit charlatan.

Further to this, you are dumb. Regards.



Ok let' do the slapfight:

1

I claim that ganked industrialist have the means to take revenge on alliances corps.

Your response: Mercs care about their kill death ratio.

Conclusion: Irrelevant. You might aswell tell me about how bees like honey

2

I point out the irrelevancy of your response

Your response: sarcastic remark of how I don't take a contrary stance

Conclusion: Further pushing your irrelevant point – indicating that you are incapable of realizing the idiocy of your post.

3

I claim that goons have earned to be treated with disrespect by the eve community.

Your response: A history lesson of how goons came about in Eve.

Conclusion: Irrelevant It doesn't matter if goons came from an internet forum or if it was you and your pet monkey who initated it in your moms basement – fact still stands that there is an organized cooperative within the Eve-universe whos affiliated pilots or members refer themselves to as "goons". Any actions commited and statements expresed while being a goon reflects upon said cooperative – any member who willingly (i gess none of you are forced) fly under the goonswarm banner or with the "goon label" should expect to be judged by the statements and actions commited by this organized entity.

Are you trying to come off as dense? Because it's working. You can't sem to engage in a normal discussion without bringing up totally irrelevant bullshit.

And yes, I do know what goonswarm is. I was flying in [TCC] and had join operations with goonswarm in syndicate it was around that time you guys got your 100th member.
BUT I alo remember some the malicious bullshit that you guys have polluted Eve with and the eve community with during this time – while openly stating that you want to break and destroy the game.

Now, if you are capable of it, you should reread my posts and point out in a clear manner what you disagree with and why.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#47 - 2011-10-11 03:39:55 UTC
I don't disagree with any of your posts.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2011-10-11 03:40:16 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I see then that you wish to continue the slap-fight. Very well.

You must be either illiterate or uninformed, since you believe "the goons" to be a guild in EVE Online. It's not. What you call "the goons" refers to a group which exists outside of EVE Online. One does not play EVE Online and then join "the goons," as you state it; instead, one joins "the goons" by being one of "the goons'. This is accomplished by being a member of the Something Awful forums community, what is an entirely independent entity from EVE Online. Those persons, originating from Something Awful, then choosing to play video games together in a guild exclusive to that community constitute "the goons" that you are referencing.

You can find examples of "the goons" in other video games, such as Goon Squad or Elitist Jerks on the Mal'Ganis realm in World of Warcraft; Goon Trek or Starfleet Dental in Star Trek Online; and, probably most familiar to you, Goonwaffe, The Greater Goon, and Elitist Ops in EVE Online. You will notice that the three space guilds I mention by name in EVE Online all exist independently from each other, in their own alliances, and sometimes at odds with each other: that is because, contrary to what your simple mind prefers to believe, "the goons" are not a singular and homogeneous entity that you can typecast like a two-bit charlatan.

Further to this, you are dumb. Regards.



Ok let' do the slapfight:

1

I claim that ganked industrialist have the means to take revenge on alliances corps.

Your response: Mercs care about their kill death ratio.

Conclusion: Irrelevant. You might aswell tell me about how bees like honey

2

I point out the irrelevancy of your response

Your response: sarcastic remark of how I don't take a contrary stance

Conclusion: Further pushing your irrelevant point – indicating that you are incapable of realizing the idiocy of your post.

3

I claim that goons have earned to be treated with disrespect by the eve community.

Your response: A history lesson of how goons came about in Eve.

Conclusion: Irrelevant It doesn't matter if goons came from an internet forum or if it was you and your pet monkey who initated it in your moms basement – fact still stands that there is an organized cooperative within the Eve-universe whos affiliated pilots or members refer themselves to as "goons". Any actions commited and statements expresed while being a goon reflects upon said cooperative – any member who willingly (i gess none of you are forced) fly under the goonswarm banner or with the "goon label" should expect to be judged by the statements and actions commited by this organized entity.

Are you trying to come off as dense? Because it's working. You can't sem to engage in a normal discussion without bringing up totally irrelevant bullshit.

And yes, I do know what goonswarm is. I was flying in [TCC] and had join operations with goonswarm in syndicate it was around that time you guys got your 100th member.
BUT I alo remember some the malicious bullshit that you guys have polluted Eve with and the eve community with during this time – while openly stating that you want to break and destroy the game.

Now, if you are capable of it, you should reread my posts and point out in a clear manner what you disagree with and why.

I don't disagree with any of your posts.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2011-10-11 04:30:52 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I can assure you that so long as you argue back at us we will be content to perpetuate the Internet slap-fight ad infinitum.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2011-10-11 05:45:29 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I can assure you that so long as you argue back at us we will be content to perpetuate the Internet slap-fight ad infinitum.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2011-10-11 05:46:15 UTC
Arguing with someone who's obviously very worked up about something doesn't take much, and it certainly doesn't require disagreement.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#52 - 2011-10-11 06:22:36 UTC
Yay! I won an internet battle against a goon.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2011-10-11 06:45:27 UTC
~* Give Cpt Fina a sticker. *~

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Songbird
#54 - 2011-10-11 12:26:02 UTC
Isn't the orca still a non scannable hauling option?
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-10-11 13:03:31 UTC
Yes, you cannot scan its corporate hangar; but, there is presently a 250 million ISK bounty on all Orca kills in Caldari or Gallente space.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#56 - 2011-10-11 20:17:11 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Cpt Fina wrote:
Luckily if a corp/alliance like goonswarm ganks a wealthy industialist he can always use his financial leverage to repay the favour in kind. Goons have assets, logistics and sov holdings that are viable targets for revenge.


lol

unless that wealthy industrialist can miracle more than 60 titans and 150 supercarriers out of his ass, i'd bet on goon space staying safe



I like how you pointed out where i said that the industrialist would have to evict an alliance by himself. It's nice to see that you also have the capacity to realize that money spent to terrorize an alliance doesn't have to equate destroying it entirely OR equate to spending it immediately when an alliance might at a stable state and not used to further enhance the strain that most alliances face during war.

Because if you didn't think of this you'd be as dense and incapacitated as the carebears that we are making fun of in this thread.

I also congratulate you that you've grasped the concept of exemplification when I said " a corp/alliance like goonswarm".

You, sir, strike me as a very insightful individual. Keep it up.




*sigh*.....all it takes is a couple bomber pilots to camp their systems to disrupt everything they do.

Its not hard to shut a system down or make it very very annoying and make their members very paranoid. I have sat in plenty of whs, 0.0 systems and shut down systems or made them have to stop what they are doing and try to bait me out. Just send 3-4 cloakies and go to town on their ops. Eventually enough of their members will **** and whine that it will become problamatic......

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2011-10-11 21:37:38 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
Yay! I won an internet battle against a goon.

lol...you keep telling yourself that.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Jaiden Solo
Chaos arbiter
Fraternity.
#58 - 2011-10-11 22:10:48 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
Honestly (Not saying you are) but most people who move expensive stuff are complete idiots. I mean I can't even being to tell you how many KM's I see where Badger's and Iterions are hauling millions or billions worth of stuff. I mean you basicly hauling them in a moving target, I mean EVERY Industrial WILL get scanned at one point in their journey, why make it so easy for gankers.

If your gonna move like lets say a Core X-type LAR, it takes up what 20m3. MOVE IT IN A FIRETAIL OR A ZEALOT OR A ABADDON! How many times have you seen them scanned? None probably, because nobody suspects them to haul anything but people are complete idiots when they haul stuff, they think they can only haul stuff in Indy's.

So the matter is not on how much cargo you can carry before your ganked, it's if your an idiot enough to use a Indy to haul your stuff (Sometimes I've seen T1 Frigates scanned though)



Heavy tanked Rattlesnake can tank over 1.6K dps has and incredible amount of Ehp (also audit log containers?)


DPS doesn't matter - it is all about how much alpha you can tank.
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2011-10-11 22:40:42 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Cpt Fina wrote:
Yay! I won an internet battle against a goon.

lol...you keep telling yourself that.



Well then, please continue. You said I was wrong when i said that 0,0 entities can be hurt, can you elaborate on that.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2011-10-11 22:52:51 UTC
Nullsec entities can be hurt, but the degree of force required is beyond the means of most players, groups, or oganisations.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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