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New dev blog: CSM Meeting Minutes - Summer 2012

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Orisa Medeem
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-08-02 15:57:23 UTC
Great, the mythical meeting minutes! Now I'm off to reading them.

:sand:  over  :awesome:
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#22 - 2012-08-02 16:00:39 UTC
Orisa Medeem wrote:
Great, the mythical meeting minutes! Now I'm off to reading them.


Take your time as the meeting minutes are very interesting!

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Stridsflygplan
Deliverance.
Arrival.
#23 - 2012-08-02 16:02:54 UTC
Awesome!
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#24 - 2012-08-02 16:04:43 UTC
Only on page 12, but I like the conversational transcript so far.

It feels more like an actual meeting was had and things were talked around. The summary notes in the past lacked that feel.

+1

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Kaycerra
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-08-02 16:06:12 UTC
Interemedesting....
Luka Datitties
Star-Gate Command
#26 - 2012-08-02 16:10:59 UTC
Guys! Make this into a PODCAST! I for one would totally load this **** up on my MP3 player and listen to it in the truck at work. The time editing out the NDA stuff (stuff that slips out that the pause button doesn't catch) would probably take less time than a text version of the minutes. Text minutes could then be the TL;DR version of said podcast.

- (23:08) State of Incarna
+ (23:35) Discussion of big picture stuff
+ (38:25) Leading ideas on the table
+ (45:52) CSM speculation addressed

You know, **** like that.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#27 - 2012-08-02 16:12:10 UTC
with regards to the possible future industry improvements:-

Quote:
CCP Arrow indicated that they would be very careful to make sure that the players highly involved with the current industry system aren't disrupted by the new UI and functionality.


that worries me immensely. I currently have no confidence in any changes been integrated which arent FUBAR until you learn your mistakes and completely fix the Uni.Inv.
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-08-02 16:13:19 UTC
Lots of thanks to all involved ...
I am going to have a good read.

Going to be back with comments.
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#29 - 2012-08-02 16:15:02 UTC
Some questions for folks that are reading the minutes:
1) The first session was a straight up transcript. Do you like that format?
2) The other sessions have a lot more direct quotes from people. Do you like this better than the past formats?

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
Tork Norand
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-08-02 16:17:20 UTC

As I'm reading through this book....a thought came to mind. Hope this is a place to post it. :)

Page 48 and 49 talks about:
1) clones
2) getting people into PvP in an arena.

The idea:
Have a way to "put your character on hold and go into the arena". Basically, a check box that says, "Go to the arena with this character."

Everything at that point is "normal" for that character (chats, etc), but they are put into an "arena clone" that is separate from New Eden. They can access their wallet, fit ships, etc. All is there would be is standard player built gear (it gets imported from Jita at the average price for the past week). If a pilot wants special equipment, it can be contracted through Concord to be delivered (at a cost based on it's volume and/or value).

Benefits:
1) During a slow time, someone can go PvP and still have access to their normal comms and know what's going on.
2) No changes to things in New Eden. The Arena Clone only stays there. (Training is done at the same rate as the clone they were in last. People shouldn't be penalized for doing some PvP...and this is no different than not being logged in.)
3) Clones in the Arena don't count against their other counts. Everyone has a body there. If you get podded, that's life. Or make pods invulnerable and it becomes a non-issue.
4) ISK sink for some as they want to fly ships that they like and need to buy them (or pay to have them imported).

Downsides:
I really see none...but then, I'm biased on this.

--Tork. CEO and Herder of Cats.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-08-02 16:24:05 UTC
Two step wrote:
Some questions for folks that are reading the minutes:
1) The first session was a straight up transcript. Do you like that format?
2) The other sessions have a lot more direct quotes from people. Do you like this better than the past formats?


Honestly I don't care, but some of the direct quotes made the document a bit easier to read and to get in to. You understand the feel/tone of the conversation better and the occasional humourous quote is appreciated. Whatever works for you the best is fine by me. What is important and good to see is the actual dialogue happening during the meetings.
Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
#32 - 2012-08-02 16:28:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarin Arenos
Two step wrote:
Some questions for folks that are reading the minutes:
1) The first session was a straight up transcript. Do you like that format?
2) The other sessions have a lot more direct quotes from people. Do you like this better than the past formats?

I'll admit that I ended up skimming some of the complete transcript. however, I really do appreciate seeing it. It helps get a feel for the CSM members more personally; seeing how they interact conversationally and not in a controlled-text format like forums.

Edit: Best note in the minutes so far: Note regarding the new planetary rings being large enough to fly in for hours, and the ability to hide in them, a-la "Wrath of Kahn" nebula. I cannot describe how exciting that sounds. Imagine how interesting that could make PvP. Maybe factor ship sensor strength in as well.

But I'm not CCP Soundwave, so what do I know?
Highfield
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#33 - 2012-08-02 16:40:35 UTC
Question to CCP: Do you guys have meetings without the CSM present during the proceedings to discuss the arguments made by the CSM internally? If so, do they influence the (later) presentations to the CSM in that late stadium?

Regards,

Highfield
El Cid Campeador
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-08-02 16:54:57 UTC
I liked the format it was written in, although some suggestions make the title bigger for the sections.

Informational, although plenty of non essential info. But I do like the "transparency"
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#35 - 2012-08-02 16:56:04 UTC
It's like 50 Shades of Grey, except for Eve.

~
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#36 - 2012-08-02 17:06:08 UTC
Is CCP Diagoras still with the company his twitter account was taken off the wiki page a couple weeks ago and we have not gotten any stats lately?

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#37 - 2012-08-02 17:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Just to add my two ISK...

I'm still reading the minutes (page 23). They are quite long, but I do like the format, so I don't mind the length. Reading them is like being a fly on the wall.

I also like the executive summary. It seems very accurate so far.

All-in-all a good job. Thanks to all involved. I know it must have took a lot of effort.

EDIT: Page 49 now, and I seem to have gone past everything in the executive summary. Example: clones and clone costs. So the summary seems incomplete to me if I'm only about 1/3 through the document.
Dierdra Vaal
Interstellar Stargate Syndicate
#38 - 2012-08-02 17:16:28 UTC
Two step wrote:
Some questions for folks that are reading the minutes:
1) The first session was a straight up transcript. Do you like that format?
2) The other sessions have a lot more direct quotes from people. Do you like this better than the past formats?


I didn't like the transcript format. It's too verbose and cluttered with irrelevant details. I find the 'regular' format much easier to read.

Can you give an example of the the direct quotes you mention? Other than the straight up transcripts I didn't notice much difference from previous minutes.

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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#39 - 2012-08-02 17:20:44 UTC
Dierdra Vaal wrote:
Two step wrote:
Some questions for folks that are reading the minutes:
1) The first session was a straight up transcript. Do you like that format?
2) The other sessions have a lot more direct quotes from people. Do you like this better than the past formats?


I didn't like the transcript format. It's too verbose and cluttered with irrelevant details. I find the 'regular' format much easier to read.

Can you give an example of the the direct quotes you mention? Other than the straight up transcripts I didn't notice much difference from previous minutes.


In every session but the first one, the style is very different than for past minutes. We tried to include direct quotes, for exmaple, in looking at page 59 (chosen at random), there are a couple of quotes from me and Seleene. I think we also included a lot more detail than in the past, where we would often skip over some of the intermediate discussion and just mention the final conclusions.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-08-02 17:21:15 UTC
Luka Datitties wrote:
Guys! Make this into a PODCAST!


Ugh no, minutes are supposed to be a formal record of the meeting. You can't skim a podcast and you can't use it as a reference.