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Shaky Ground
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-08-02 08:20:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaky Ground
Hello friends!

I've recently changed the way I PvE which has seen a dramatic increase in my income. Unfortunately, I have not changed the way I PvP, which means I lose said income quickly. In the coming weeks I'd like to find an investment of some description that will tie up some of my isk and return some kind of profit to me. I have absolutely no idea how to do this.

At the moment I'm looking to invest a small amount - 500 million to 1 billion - to get my feet wet. Any suggestions on how to do this? Preferably without getting scammed out of my hard earned ISK.
Chevalleis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-08-02 08:31:35 UTC
Try to find collaterlized bonds or bonds that are run by ppl who have ran many previous bonds. They're all over MD.
raptorHUN
eve mehanic
#3 - 2012-08-02 13:31:41 UTC
Frankley putting ur isk into any investment even if its secured won't really make you much isk.

I mean 1b invest u might get back 50m after 30 days. Some might see that as a good return but really only those who invest 30-50b+ are making their money work for them.

You can easly use ur 1b and station trade to make that in 1hr with no real knowledge of trading. What i am saying is your putting ur isk into a place that makes you crap all.

use ur isk to trade, you wil make much more. or if your sitting on 10b use it to character trade, you will double your isk in a month if u do it well enough.
Shaky Ground
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-08-02 15:49:10 UTC
raptorHUN wrote:
Frankley putting ur isk into any investment even if its secured won't really make you much isk.

I mean 1b invest u might get back 50m after 30 days. Some might see that as a good return but really only those who invest 30-50b+ are making their money work for them.

You can easly use ur 1b and station trade to make that in 1hr with no real knowledge of trading. What i am saying is your putting ur isk into a place that makes you crap all.

use ur isk to trade, you wil make much more. or if your sitting on 10b use it to character trade, you will double your isk in a month if u do it well enough.


The issue with this is I would lose my isk in Marketplace PvP as surely as Spaceship PvP. Does anyone offer a service where they might do this for a % of the profits?
Sami Arji
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-08-02 15:52:57 UTC
Change the way you PVP and stop losing ships :P
raptorHUN
eve mehanic
#6 - 2012-08-02 16:01:45 UTC
Sami Arji wrote:
Change the way you PVP and stop losing ships :P


best advise ever, i mean i know people who do 20-500 kills a month and loose 2-3 ships

or just use cheap ships, in the end its all the same, you want kills, who cares what ships ur in.

Samroski
Middle-Earth
#7 - 2012-08-03 05:40:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Samroski
Shaky Ground wrote:

The issue with this is I would lose my isk in Marketplace PvP as surely as Spaceship PvP. Does anyone offer a service where they might do this for a % of the profits?

The issue is trust. There will be a lot of people willing to provide this service though.

My RvB alt does this to finance his follies:
1. Buy stuff at Jita
2. Haul it (using an alt) to the RvB stations and surrounding level 4 agents a few jumps away
3. Put it up for sale at high margins for 3 months- fill gaps- don't try market PvP unless the other guys are going for margins even better than yours
4. PvP for a month or two (no need to check orders)
5. go to step 1

Not sure what your ship losses are like, but a1.5-2 b investment is sufficient to finance the frigates and cruisers I generally use/lose for RvB.

Any colour you like.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#8 - 2012-08-03 06:15:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen
I can help you both ways, in pvp and market stuff. Im willing to help but only if your blue to south coalition and even than i ask "whats in it for me?"

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#9 - 2012-08-03 07:42:37 UTC
Shaky Ground wrote:
Does anyone offer a service where they might do this for a % of the profits?


I offer you a friendly advice: those services are absolutely similar to those Jita "send me ISK, I will double it" and have the same outcome.

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Aina Sasaki
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-08-03 10:41:37 UTC
It sounds like you need to tone down your PvP a bit, or use cheaper ships. Does your corp/alliance not have a ship replacement program? PvP may be fun, but bankrupting yourself isn't.

I would try to develop some source of income that you can run outside of pvp, preferably something you find fun. Trade is an obvious preference for myself, but it is not for everyone. I would take a look at your various options and try some out until you find one that suits you. :)

- Rei
shortattenionsp
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-08-04 04:40:03 UTC  |  Edited by: shortattenionsp
raptorHUN wrote:
Sami Arji wrote:
Change the way you PVP and stop losing ships :P


best advise ever, i mean i know people who do 20-500 kills a month and loose 2-3 ships

or just use cheap ships, in the end its all the same, you want kills, who cares what ships ur in.



They're not doing proper PvP or taking enough risk then. Blapping people from a giant blob or gatecamp doesn't count. You simply can't have several hundred decent (closely matched) fights and only lose 2-3 ships.

Look at the killboards of some of the top pvpers out there that put out the best videos and you'll see what I mean.

In response to the op it's very hard to find any passive income streams that make a lot of isk even with a big investment that don't require any input. Bonds could work but there is always the risk of getting scammed and the returns are fairly low. Best thing to do might be put up some speculative buy orders and come back in a month and see what you've got. The problem with this is you can get dumped on when the price for an item crashes and you could be stuck with a bunch of stock thats worth a lot less than you paid for quite a while.

You could try some speculating or buying items with a longer view in mind. I'm not talking about buying a bunch of tech and praying to the gods though. Prices on a lot of high value / low turnover items tend to fluctuate a lot; the markets for these things can be lumpy - 1 guy turning up with 5 of a certain kind of implant might crash a market or a corp or player buying 10 implants might drive prices up hugely. Try buying some things when they're at historical lows and come back in 6-8 weeks and see where the price is then. Make sure you spread your risk though.