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the very fact that if you want to be as afk as possible means you wouldn't be in a hulk...

Dave keeps saying how none of the miners,like this change.

I call BS. I am a miner. It's pretty much all this toon is for. I like this change.

One thing was pointed out earlier that the size of the cargo bays prevents carrying around a T1 Strip, for those times that you come across an ore that you don't have crystals for. This is a good point no one else has caught on to in here.

T1 strip miner's size are essentially a conglomeration of the size of an assembled T2 strip plus it's fitted crystal, but with a general purpose crystal, instead of one tuned to a specific ore type. So with the reduction in size of all the T1 and T2 crystals, CCP please take note and also give us a new smaller packaged size for the T1 Strip Miner. This would assist people who actually carry those around in their cargo bay of Hulk, Mack, or Skiff. I myself do that, because this toon is not fully trained in high-end ores, and if we find a grav site with something I can't fit a crystal for, I do revert to T1 strips in my Hulk. It only makes sense for the lore to do this. Also the T1 and T2 Ice Harvesters have a huge disparity in size (at least in Evelopedia, all I have access to from work). They should be the same size (T1 is listed as 100m3, T2 is 5m3). If Evelopedia is wrong, then ignore this portion of my comment.

And yes, I've actually tested ALL the T1 and T2 ships in Sisi, extensively. While I did not create a spreadsheet of the results, doing several cycles in each on the same ores gives you a pretty fair comparison of the differences. A Mack with 2 T2 Mining Upgrades still won't outmine a Hulk with 1. Don't even talk about putting three on it. Go right ahead and completely gimp the tank of it to do that, and you'll still be just as fail vs a squad of dessie gankers as pre-patch. But I'm not going to bother with those comparisons, they are no longer realistic or useful to me.

And Floppy gave you a perfectly reasonable theorycraft of how to mine without using an additional toon for hauling/crystal delivery. You shot it down out of hand without due consideration. Way to open your mind to a new thought.

I had thought that you could use one Skiff in your Hulk fleet, at a slight loss in ore collection, you get a 250m/s delivery boat that doesn't need so many crystals itself, but can shuttle crystals to Hulks whilst mining all the way back and forth.

Now you can shoot me down like you did Floppy, but just remember, I AM an active miner.

That's like saying nobody is going to put an untanked hulk in a belt during Hulkageddon.

which was exactly how it was for about 5 seconds until they pointlessly reduced the cargo from 500m3 to 350m3.

Just because I point an additional change that needs to be made (not to the ships in question, or even the mining crystals) does not mean I don't like the changes. You might benefit from a class in logic. Or not.

I like the changes. That cannot be made more clear.

Here is my suggestion in ADDITION to the current changes on Sisi:
T1 strips and T1 Ice Harvesters are 100m3 in size, and I think that along with the reduction in size of the mining crystals, these modules should also be reduced in size to match up. Like to 30m3 each. Changing those is just something that needs to be also cleaned up to fall in line with the other changes that I DO like. It would also allow miners to transport a set of them in their now smaller Hulk's cargo bay, in case they ran into an ore type they cannot use even a T1 mining crystal for.

And for those of you who are too lazy to log into Sisi and LOOK, the mining crystals are now 15m3 for Tech 1, 25m3 for Tech 2.

So on a Hulk, Mackinaw, or Skiff you can carry 23 T1 or 14 T2 crystals.

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Both, I think.
Wanting additional changes indicates he's fine with the current changes (else he'd want those changes not to happen, I guess), but not fine with the current state, else he wouldn't need additional changes.

... nitpicking, hehe.

Strip miners, tech one

Problem solved

nope because you'll get more yield out off a mack with t2 strips that won't have the cargo issue as it needs less crystals to function. thus making the mack the highest yield, cago, and almost ehp ship.

As of 1.5 hours ago, I didn't see any further changes on SiSi - confirmed by CCP Goliath in local SiSi chat.

Sigh...