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KingMazz ONE
TECH 2 INNOVATIONS
#1 - 2011-10-11 20:44:53 UTC
is it true that ice will be removed from hi sec ? and moved to null and low sec .Shocked

IT MAKE"S MY WINKY GO DING !!!!!!!!!!!!
Jooce McNasty
Islefive Consulting
#2 - 2011-10-11 21:05:44 UTC
If its not do you really want to keep mining it in highsec while the Goons are on their current campaign? I support them in what they are doing but I do not know how long this will last and how wide spread it will get.

It would be cool to see them keep this campaign going for a year or more, especially if they are willing on spending the isk to keep the hulks dying.
CCP Zymurgist
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2011-10-11 21:14:54 UTC
In CCP Greyscale's blog he discussed moving Ice to null sec as part of the 0.0 Industry revamp. It hasn't been decided yet if this will happen or not. I suggest checking out the archived Features and Ideas forum for some more info on what was discussed.

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Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-11 21:26:19 UTC
Jooce McNasty wrote:
If its not do you really want to keep mining it in highsec while the Goons are on their current campaign? I support them in what they are doing but I do not know how long this will last and how wide spread it will get.

It would be cool to see them keep this campaign going for a year or more, especially if they are willing on spending the isk to keep the hulks dying.



You really have no clue what you're talking about HUH?......If they remove all curenntly in hisec located ice into lowsec and 0.0 you can expect the market break through the roof and then collapse in a big bang followed by hundreds of hisec players leaving the game if not thousands of them.....if ice can't get mined anymore in hisec and keep the price in a somwhat tolerable and affordable range most the hisec POSes in hisec and also lowsec will get removed and construction research and much other stuff will come to a nearly complete halt.

Simply due to the fact Hisec research facilitys will get swamped and blocked more for months from a few keeping their jobs within the queue while the rest can suffer their soon forseeable financial dead.

If you really want this happen...or talking about the remove without having a idea what the consequences will be of this totally unneeded move you better should stay quite and go in a corner and get ashamed by your incompetence.
Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-10-11 21:31:13 UTC
Anyone leaving because the price of ANY one commodity gets changed, is simply ********.

Oh noes, so it costs twice as much to run a POS or jump capital ships.... seriously.....

Either its an alt industry char and you have other options to make ISK or you are a heavy industry guy and have other options to make ISK.

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mkint
#6 - 2011-10-11 21:31:34 UTC
Well, removing ice from highsec would mean more income for the RMTers that control 0.0, the CSM, and possibly certain devs, so yeah, sooner or later it probably will be. However, one of the devs said that they were taking it off the table for now. It'll probably stay off the table until RMT income starts suffering.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-10-11 21:34:21 UTC
The essence of the ice removal hypothesis is that in order to make null more attractive to the masses, CCP is willing to scorch the rest of New Eden with game breaking improvements in favor of null. This is otherwise known commonly as "the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer" or "stealing from Peter to pay Paul". The logic of it all eludes me. It is only when I ponder whether CCP is benefiting financially from null RMT operations does it make sense.

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Baralosus
Caldari Provisions
#8 - 2011-10-11 21:34:46 UTC
Why not reduce the number of ice belts in hi sec systems and slightly increase number of ice belts in null sec? At least there will still be hi sec ice to be mined, only it'll be more scarce. Would be a better alternative to getting rid of ice in hi sec completely. Prices will go up but not nearly as much as the alternative.
Jooce McNasty
Islefive Consulting
#9 - 2011-10-11 21:37:18 UTC
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Jooce McNasty wrote:
If its not do you really want to keep mining it in highsec while the Goons are on their current campaign? I support them in what they are doing but I do not know how long this will last and how wide spread it will get.

It would be cool to see them keep this campaign going for a year or more, especially if they are willing on spending the isk to keep the hulks dying.



You really have no clue what you're talking about HUH?......If they remove all curenntly in hisec located ice into lowsec and 0.0 you can expect the market break through the roof and then collapse in a big bang followed by hundreds of hisec players leaving the game if not thousands of them.....if ice can't get mined anymore in hisec and keep the price in a somwhat tolerable and affordable range most the hisec POSes in hisec and also lowsec will get removed and construction research and much other stuff will come to a nearly complete halt.

Simply due to the fact Hisec research facilitys will get swamped and blocked more for months from a few keeping their jobs within the queue while the rest can suffer their soon forseeable financial dead.

If you really want this happen...or talking about the remove without having a idea what the consequences will be of this totally unneeded move you better should stay quite and go in a corner and get ashamed by your incompetence.



I realize this will happen, EVE needs a big shake up this coupled with the super nerf up-comming might keep things interesting for awhile, and yes I do use I products on some of my chars.
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#10 - 2011-10-11 21:54:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Zendoren
My vote is to take away Belt Ice in high and low sec and move it to probeable grav sites. However for this to be a success, ice needs to be worth mining and as it stands right now (Goon ganking aside) Ice is not worth mining.

TL;DR
1) ice as Grav sites in empire space.
2) Reduce Iso requirements for POS and increase requirements for capital ships (adjust Iso's m3 also)
3) make ice depletable.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-10-11 21:59:44 UTC
mkint wrote:
Well, removing ice from highsec would mean more income for the RMTers that control 0.0, the CSM, and possibly certain devs, so yeah, sooner or later it probably will be. However, one of the devs said that they were taking it off the table for now. It'll probably stay off the table until RMT income starts suffering.

Goons are literally running your life.

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#12 - 2011-10-11 22:03:55 UTC
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Jooce McNasty wrote:
If its not do you really want to keep mining it in highsec while the Goons are on their current campaign? I support them in what they are doing but I do not know how long this will last and how wide spread it will get.

It would be cool to see them keep this campaign going for a year or more, especially if they are willing on spending the isk to keep the hulks dying.



You really have no clue what you're talking about HUH?......If they remove all curenntly in hisec located ice into lowsec and 0.0 you can expect the market break through the roof and then collapse in a big bang followed by hundreds of hisec players leaving the game if not thousands of them.....if ice can't get mined anymore in hisec and keep the price in a somwhat tolerable and affordable range most the hisec POSes in hisec and also lowsec will get removed and construction research and much other stuff will come to a nearly complete halt.

Simply due to the fact Hisec research facilitys will get swamped and blocked more for months from a few keeping their jobs within the queue while the rest can suffer their soon forseeable financial dead.

If you really want this happen...or talking about the remove without having a idea what the consequences will be of this totally unneeded move you better should stay quite and go in a corner and get ashamed by your incompetence.



Go mine ice in low-sec or null.

Problem solved.

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Psychophantic
#13 - 2011-10-11 22:06:19 UTC
Same CSM who declares war on hi-sec ice was involved in brain-storming session about its eventual removal.

Didn't happen soon enough?
mkint
#14 - 2011-10-11 22:12:07 UTC
lol, look at goons attacking my suggestion that there are RMTers on the CSM. Guilty much?

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Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-11 22:12:15 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Jooce McNasty wrote:
If its not do you really want to keep mining it in highsec while the Goons are on their current campaign? I support them in what they are doing but I do not know how long this will last and how wide spread it will get.

It would be cool to see them keep this campaign going for a year or more, especially if they are willing on spending the isk to keep the hulks dying.



You really have no clue what you're talking about HUH?......If they remove all curenntly in hisec located ice into lowsec and 0.0 you can expect the market break through the roof and then collapse in a big bang followed by hundreds of hisec players leaving the game if not thousands of them.....if ice can't get mined anymore in hisec and keep the price in a somwhat tolerable and affordable range most the hisec POSes in hisec and also lowsec will get removed and construction research and much other stuff will come to a nearly complete halt.

Simply due to the fact Hisec research facilitys will get swamped and blocked more for months from a few keeping their jobs within the queue while the rest can suffer their soon forseeable financial dead.

If you really want this happen...or talking about the remove without having a idea what the consequences will be of this totally unneeded move you better should stay quite and go in a corner and get ashamed by your incompetence.



Go mine ice in low-sec or null.

Problem solved.



And get blown up by every moment i try it? No thanks......if the remove happens and peoples will get forced to lowsec or 0.0 you can watch my bum leaving outta the door unsubbing my account with others along and saying good bye to the F**ed up game that Eve has gotten lately brougth to the state by the Glourious and selfish CSM and CCP which is seemingly listen to them without remorse and fullfilling their wishes.

We'll see if CCP is really that stupid and kills his own game hisselfs or uses the few left braincells and stops the bullshit which is laying on the table in form from plans written up by the allready richest Allys in Eve just to f**k up the average player even more.
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#16 - 2011-10-11 22:13:24 UTC
As i recall since goons started destroying anyone mining blue ice, the price has nearly quadrupled in places. This has made it so that a instead of 4 million / day to run a large pos tower of gallente style, it is nearly 12 million per day.

So yeah I really doubt high sec ice will be removed.

Also, dont fix what ain't broken. High sec ice is fine if anything adjust the refine amounts - like i kept saying in the features and ideas thread.


high sec ice - 250 isotopes per refine
low sec ice - 325 isotopes
0.0 ice - 400 isotopes per refine.

Thats balance and will encourage low sec and 0.0 mining.

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Daedalus II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-10-11 22:13:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Daedalus II
I am one carebear that would like to see this happen. Maybe it will be worth it to take a fleet out into lowsec and mine some ice under heavy protection. That sure as hell would be a lot more fun than sitting in high sec with bleeding eyes watching your cargo hold slowly fill with ice.

Obsidian Hawk wrote:
As i recall since goons started destroying anyone mining blue ice, the price has nearly quadrupled in places. This has made it so that a instead of 4 million / day to run a large pos tower of gallente style, it is nearly 12 million per day.

So yeah I really doubt high sec ice will be removed.

I checked this and the jita price has been sinking the last 3 months from 500 down to about 450 isk per oxy iso. For a while just as the goons started it went up to around 900, now it's down to 800 and dropping, so yeah, it has almost doubled, not more, and certainly not quadrupled in price.
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#18 - 2011-10-11 22:19:34 UTC  |  Edited by: mechtech
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:

And get blown up by every moment i try it? No thanks......if the remove happens and peoples will get forced to lowsec or 0.0 you can watch my bum leaving outta the door unsubbing my account with others along and saying good bye to the F**ed up game that Eve has gotten lately brougth to the state by the Glourious and selfish CSM and CCP which is seemingly listen to them without remorse and fullfilling their wishes.

We'll see if CCP is really that stupid and kills his own game hisselfs or uses the few left braincells and stops the bullshit which is laying on the table in form from plans written up by the allready richest Allys in Eve just to f**k up the average player even more.


Oh please, in 7 years of playing this game it's never been easier for the high sec player than it is now. From a game design standpoint CCP can see that high sec is too easy, and 0.0 doesn't really pay off for the extra risk and work involved.

A true eve player welcomes change, embraces the new dynamics brought to the table, and profits from the new opportunities. Geez, what game are you playing?!

Don't whine, don't be a sheep, Adapt or Die.


Daedalus II wrote:
I am one carebear that would like to see this happen. Maybe it will be worth it to take a fleet out into lowsec and mine some ice under heavy protection. That sure as hell would be a lot more fun than sitting in high sec with bleeding eyes watching your cargo hold slowly fill with ice.


Exactly.
Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-10-11 22:26:44 UTC
mechtech wrote:
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:

And get blown up by every moment i try it? No thanks......if the remove happens and peoples will get forced to lowsec or 0.0 you can watch my bum leaving outta the door unsubbing my account with others along and saying good bye to the F**ed up game that Eve has gotten lately brougth to the state by the Glourious and selfish CSM and CCP which is seemingly listen to them without remorse and fullfilling their wishes.

We'll see if CCP is really that stupid and kills his own game hisselfs or uses the few left braincells and stops the bullshit which is laying on the table in form from plans written up by the allready richest Allys in Eve just to f**k up the average player even more.


Oh please, in 7 years of playing this game it's never been easier for the high sec player than it is now. From a game design standpoint CCP can see that high sec is too easy, and 0.0 doesn't really pay off for the extra risk and work involved.

A true eve player welcomes change, embraces the new dynamics brought to the table, and profits from the new opportunities. Geez, what game are you playing?!

Don't whine, don't be a sheep, Adapt or Die.


Daedalus II wrote:
I am one carebear that would like to see this happen. Maybe it will be worth it to take a fleet out into lowsec and mine some ice under heavy protection. That sure as hell would be a lot more fun than sitting in high sec with bleeding eyes watching your cargo hold slowly fill with ice.


Exactly.



You Sir seems not gotten the point i wanted to bring up aside from the large impact Hiseciceremoving will have not only on infrastructure, market and economy it also will FORCE....i repeat me agein FORCE technically players to leave hisec to go to either lowsec or 0.0 to get what they need.....please understand there are peoples DOESN'T want to go there at all....they simply decided to stay in hisec cause of beeing saved before the stress low and 0.0 sec activity can cause....stress which if it really gets bad and hard kills every relaxing amount this game can and had for them.

Remember, some peoples are coming home from a stressfull day at work and loggin in to eve to have a bit relaxing activities here and enjoying their stay with some friends they have here as well....if this goes away....those players will go away ( leave ) as well and that Sir....is a promise which will happen if CCP is not finally ligthens up and starts to think a bit themselfes again.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2011-10-11 22:29:08 UTC
mkint wrote:
lol, look at goons attacking my suggestion that there are RMTers on the CSM. Guilty much?

attacking is sort of the wrong word I think mocking you and hysterically laughing at you is a more accurate phrase

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