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Talocan race backstory (updated with fan fic)

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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#41 - 2012-07-06 03:58:53 UTC
Watooshi Makoochji wrote:
I thought the Talocan were an ancient buglike race who went extinct millenia befor ethe first human ver arrived in Nwe Edne much less in WH space where the Talocan lived? Is that not correct?


...not sure if trolling...

http://www.wormholes.info

David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#42 - 2012-07-06 04:49:44 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Watooshi Makoochji wrote:
I thought the Talocan were an ancient buglike race who went extinct millenia befor ethe first human ver arrived in Nwe Edne much less in WH space where the Talocan lived? Is that not correct?


...not sure if trolling...


It really has to be.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#43 - 2012-07-07 13:23:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Widely accepted first rule of generalization in Eve; there are no aliens...P

Humanity colonized all of the Milky Way they could without encountering any...

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#44 - 2012-07-07 14:20:28 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
Widely accepted first rule of generalization in Eve; there are no aliens...P

Humanity colonized all of the Milky Way they could without encountering any...


Well, other than Fedos, perhaps. There's allowance for lower-level life forms evolving on their own on worlds we come across.

But as far as intelligent life, yes, we are the only ones. It's to emphasize the truth that we are our own worst enemy.

http://www.wormholes.info

Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#45 - 2012-07-07 14:30:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
I even question that... With the Jove and Enhuadanni being masters of genetic manipulation, fedos, long limb, slaver hounds, furriers, could all be genetic enhancements or adaptations to suit a particular planetary environment or niche that humanity required be filled for a particular purpose..

For instance, the long limb looks like it could be a land adapted nautilus or lobster.. From time immemorial rats have followed humanity across the globe, by hitching rides on our ships. Why not tweak the little buggers to provide a useful service like cleaning our toilets?

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#46 - 2012-07-09 21:53:39 UTC
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#47 - 2012-07-11 14:50:27 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
Widely accepted first rule of generalization in Eve; there are no aliens...P

Humanity colonized all of the Milky Way they could without encountering any...


Can you verify this from an official source? I mean, could be humans just conquered all intelligent races they encountered, no point in mentioning them since it's not relevant to the story of EVE.

And there are plenty of alien species in the setting as said - furriers, slaver hounds, fedos have been mentioned. Even alien viruses (kyonoke infection).
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#48 - 2012-07-11 15:37:00 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
no point in mentioning them since it's not relevant to the story of EVE.


wut

http://www.wormholes.info

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#49 - 2012-07-11 16:51:19 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Teinyhr wrote:
no point in mentioning them since it's not relevant to the story of EVE.


wut


Well, do we really need to know if there were intelligent aliens in the previous galaxy humanity inhabited? Exact same reason writers don't mention about people doing ordinary things like using the bathroom, walking 20 minutes to work, spending 20 minutes in a checkup line in books unless this is somehow important to the plot at hand.
Ninamina Dracosu
Ephyra
#50 - 2012-07-15 03:38:51 UTC
one of the evelopedia pages i ran across made mention of a species of animal on a planet that i think the Amarr colonized that could of become sentient life form had it been left alone for millions of years longer.

ah found the link to the planet

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mekhios

the paragraph i'm thinking of: "The planet's biosphere was very advanced and was home to several sub-sapient species that scientists believe may have one day evolved intelligence if allowed a few more million years of development. Because the planet has not been developed as an industrial or agricultural world as much as Sarum Prime II, the ecology has remained healthy and mostly stable, though some unavoidable extinctions occurred. "

shows that there could be other alien sentient lifeforms out there that Humans have yet to run into in the New Eden systems. Think of it this way, "One galaxy one sentient life form" but humans are an invading life form into the New Eden Galaxy. So the question become is there a sentient lifeform in the New Eden Galaxy off in another part of the Galaxy that Humans have yet to run into? or if the Talocans were that race, did the invading humans wipe them out and were the Talocans running away from the human expansion and their diseases. Think about what European and american Diseases did to both Europeans and Native americans when the 2 met back in the late 1400s early 1500s. Could have been that all over again with The Talocans being the native american like people and Human the invading Europeans.
Sitreba Oonchevkii
#51 - 2012-07-15 14:27:26 UTC
i'm sorry for my fiction noobiness, but wut is Anoikis? Oops

Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood.

Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#52 - 2012-07-21 17:18:51 UTC
Anoikis is the Jovian term for wormhole space..

@ Teinhyr: Such would imply that the Terrans commited genocide upon said races... I prefer the thought that we Terrans are alone in our universe.

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-07-22 13:04:00 UTC
Confirming that there's still at least 1 mission where the sleeper drone uses spatial rifts (3 of which you have to go trough. The fourth is already gone when you get there). to move around.
It's the mission next to the one where you place the dummy DNA modified corpse inside a station. Since it's inside the row of missions after you have to choose, it's possible that only the ones who picked this path will encounter the spatial rifts.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#54 - 2012-07-24 15:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
With the most recent chronicle (brilliant btw), I am being forced to reconsider my preconceptions and accept that something else just might be out there... Beyond the circle of light, so to speak..

"Blood-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood," said Shakor.


Of course, Jovians might appear to many as strange beings, too, to uneducated baseliners eager to taste of our immortality.....Twisted

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Tykari
The Observatory
#55 - 2012-07-24 16:20:31 UTC
Perhaps the Sleepers are finally waking up, and they're not happy, or the Talocan weren't friendly and the Sleepers kept them trapped and we opened the door back home, or some other unknown force is out there. Either way, it seems something is coming and it doesn't bode well.

In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.

Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#56 - 2012-08-01 20:24:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Came across a new useful link that lists all items in the game with the word "Talocan" in the title:

http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/inventory_search.php?keywords=talocan

I've added it to the OP. Didn't see a catalog like this in the Arek'Jaalan Project, sadly.

EDIT: I find a lot of these items to be very revealing, and wonder how many of them actually show up in the game. There is a Talocan Disruption Tower and a Disrupted Talocan Polestar...very suggestive. Cool


I wish I would have followed up on this earlier, absolutely priceless find. Though, I am still struggling to understand it. Thank you for pointing me back to the site. For those of us who understand the uses and implications of datacores, look at the uses of the as yet unearthed datacores. Reverse engineering OUR technology. Look also at the Talocan, Yan Jung and Sleeper datacores and their relevent tech levels. No such list exists for the Takhmal that I could find. Very suggestive, indeed, as we know the trail left by the Takhmal originated upon the Amarr homworld.

While no more advanced than our own technology, the Talocan's seem to have a different approach, or baseline technology.

Also notice what is reverse engineered with said datacores, a further study in what fields these races seem to have excelled or been concentrating on at the time of their downfall.

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Tykari
The Observatory
#57 - 2012-08-01 23:13:16 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Came across a new useful link that lists all items in the game with the word "Talocan" in the title:

http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/inventory_search.php?keywords=talocan

I've added it to the OP. Didn't see a catalog like this in the Arek'Jaalan Project, sadly.

EDIT: I find a lot of these items to be very revealing, and wonder how many of them actually show up in the game. There is a Talocan Disruption Tower and a Disrupted Talocan Polestar...very suggestive. Cool


I wish I would have followed up on this earlier, absolutely priceless find. Though, I am still struggling to understand it. Thank you for pointing me back to the site. For those of us who understand the uses and implications of datacores, look at the uses of the as yet unearthed datacores. Reverse engineering OUR technology. Look also at the Talocan, Yan Jung and Sleeper datacores and their relevent tech levels. No such list exists for the Takhmal that I could find. Very suggestive, indeed, as we know the trail left by the Takhmal originated upon the Amarr homworld.

While no more advanced than our own technology, the Talocan's seem to have a different approach, or baseline technology.

Also notice what is reverse engineered with said datacores, a further study in what fields these races seem to have excelled or been concentrating on at the time of their downfall.


Well the reason you won't find this in AJ is because simply it is knowledge our characters don't have and AJ is an IC thingso technically speaking we can't know these things. As for what is in-game, pretty much the entire list is in-game with just a few exceptions. The datacores, data analyzer and datainterface are not available and, as far as I know, the Talocan Embankment Destroyer has not appeared anywhere yet. From the description it seems to be in far better shape than the other wrecks floating about, it's also not listed as a spawn container so it's not something that would give you T3 hull fragments.

Also Roga, I suggest you search the inventory using certain search terms. You get a more complete list of things that have been found hidden in the database.

For example the datacore list is actually a little bit longer. http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/inventory_search.php?keywords=Datacore

You'll notice the Takmahl were not forgotten and there are a few others in there as well. But I would suggest we are very careful about making assumptions based on what is in the database. I'm sure some of it will never see the light of day in game at all.

In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.

Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#58 - 2012-08-02 01:16:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
LOL, a light just clicked on, thank you Tykari, I do need to do some digging in there.. Embarkment Destroyer...Idea I think I've actually seen something like that..Blink

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Tykari
The Observatory
#59 - 2012-08-02 11:26:39 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
LOL, a light just clicked on, thank you Tykari, I do need to do some digging in there.. Embarkment Destroyer...Idea I think I've actually seen something like that..Blink


Well if you can figure out for certain let me know, would love to know where that thing is. Seen plenty of evidence of the Frigates, Cruisers and Battleships from various sources, haven't found much about the destroyer yet though.

In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.

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