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Xenuria
#21 - 2012-07-30 02:06:12 UTC
leviticus ander wrote:
well PCpitstop didn't like my computer. probably because of security I have setup on it.
and the belarc adviser gave me 1.25/10. but that's largely because I use the entire network as a security device rather than just my computer, and even more so since I've opened certain areas of my computer and network to make network functionality more effective.


Well having a high score for security does require you to disable or turn off alot of risky things and sometimes that reduces functionality. By the same token alot of the kind of stuff that sniffs personal information will no longer work if you have your security configured properly. This can be bad if you are using something liek scrobler.

CSM 12 Candidate
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#22 - 2012-07-30 02:34:59 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Akita T wrote:
[...]uncertain trustworthiness site (it might actually be very trustworthy but I don't feel like checking) [...]

Uncertain trustworthiness? How long have you been on the internet? PCpitstop is legit bro.

Apparently, I've been on the Internet since before the company was started. Never actually needed any of the services they seem to offer. So no wonder I never heard of them before.

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Xenuria
#23 - 2012-07-30 02:45:54 UTC
Oh well sorry to have offended you, most grizzled of ancients.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#24 - 2012-07-30 08:12:58 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Oh well sorry to have offended you, most grizzled of ancients.

Your heartfelt, honest and in no way sarcastic apology is accepted, you may live to see another day, for now.

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-07-30 08:51:19 UTC
Travarica wrote:
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Sidus Isaacs wrote:
lol IE





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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-07-30 10:18:46 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Well having a high score for security does require you to disable or turn off alot of risky things and sometimes that reduces functionality. By the same token alot of the kind of stuff that sniffs personal information will no longer work if you have your security configured properly. This can be bad if you are using something liek scrobler.


Human stupidity is the biggest threat to computer security, all added layers of security and checks for updates don't really matter when the person in front of the computer picks 1234 as password. Most systems that get hacked are updated and running anti virus/malware and firewall applications, but all that don't really matter when the user willingly accepts to run an application that some random website claim is needed.

People get hacked because they are stupid, not because they are running insecure systems.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Xenuria
#27 - 2012-07-30 13:26:12 UTC
dexington wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Well having a high score for security does require you to disable or turn off alot of risky things and sometimes that reduces functionality. By the same token alot of the kind of stuff that sniffs personal information will no longer work if you have your security configured properly. This can be bad if you are using something liek scrobler.


Human stupidity is the biggest threat to computer security, all added layers of security and checks for updates don't really matter when the person in front of the computer picks 1234 as password. Most systems that get hacked are updated and running anti virus/malware and firewall applications, but all that don't really matter when the user willingly accepts to run an application that some random website claim is needed.

People get hacked because they are stupid, not because they are running insecure systems.


That is a generalization and an oversimplification of a much more complex phenomena. You make a valid point that stupidity plays a large role but it cannot be ignored that even the smartest people have computer systems that are not up to the federal standard. Those people are at risk. Something as simple as a car parked in your street could be somebody trying to get into your wireless network.

Yes I am paranoid, I am also very comfortable with what my paranoia has afforded me.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#28 - 2012-07-31 15:21:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Xenuria wrote:
Something as simple as a car parked in your street could be somebody trying to get into your wireless network.

If you're that worried, why have a wireless network to begin with ? I lived just fine for years with an old crappy computer set up as a minimalistic Linux router/firewall (instead of using a commercial router box) and used only wired connections.
And if you do have a wireless router/AP, set its transmit power so low that you couldn't access it from outside your house easily at all, and bind links to MAC addresses, and manually turn wireless on/off for just when you need it, not permanently... to name just a few things of the many you could do to make it much harder for somebody to get in.
You can never be sure you're 100% safe though (there's constantly new flaws being discovered which you couldn't hope to keep up with in realtime), so it's only a matter of "safe enough".

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dexington
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Caldari State
#29 - 2012-08-01 09:06:58 UTC  |  Edited by: dexington
Akita T wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Something as simple as a car parked in your street could be somebody trying to get into your wireless network.

If you're that worried, why have a wireless network to begin with ? I lived just fine for years with an old crappy computer set up as a minimalistic Linux router/firewall (instead of using a commercial router box) and used only wired connections.
And if you do have a wireless router/AP, set its transmit power so low that you couldn't access it from outside your house easily at all, and bind links to MAC addresses, and manually turn wireless on/off for just when you need it, not permanently... to name just a few things of the many you could do to make it much harder for somebody to get in.
You can never be sure you're 100% safe though (there's constantly new flaws being discovered which you couldn't hope to keep up with in realtime), so it's only a matter of "safe enough".


If your computer contains something that makes it worth to hack the wireless to try and hack the computer, while sitting outside in a car, it's easier to just lock pick the door and steal the computer. A sledgehammer and a skie mask all so get the job done if the door has a security lock, don't underestimate the effectiveness of some good old home invasion.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Xenuria
#30 - 2012-08-01 13:45:47 UTC
dexington wrote:
Akita T wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Something as simple as a car parked in your street could be somebody trying to get into your wireless network.

If you're that worried, why have a wireless network to begin with ? I lived just fine for years with an old crappy computer set up as a minimalistic Linux router/firewall (instead of using a commercial router box) and used only wired connections.
And if you do have a wireless router/AP, set its transmit power so low that you couldn't access it from outside your house easily at all, and bind links to MAC addresses, and manually turn wireless on/off for just when you need it, not permanently... to name just a few things of the many you could do to make it much harder for somebody to get in.
You can never be sure you're 100% safe though (there's constantly new flaws being discovered which you couldn't hope to keep up with in realtime), so it's only a matter of "safe enough".


If your computer contains something that makes it worth to hack the wireless to try and hack the computer, while sitting outside in a car, it's easier to just lock pick the door and steal the computer. A sledgehammer and a skie mask all so get the job done if the door has a security lock, don't underestimate the effectiveness of some good old home invasion.


Physically breaking into my house would be difficult and even if they did break in, getting out without a sword in their chest or several dogs firmly attached to their arms would be even more difficult. Besides, this is not about my home security, its not even about my computer security. This thread is about how YOU can make YOUR computer safer.

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Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-08-01 14:45:51 UTC
Internet Explorer is the best browser, for downloading a better browser.

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#32 - 2012-08-02 01:58:56 UTC
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
lol IE
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#33 - 2012-08-02 05:19:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Xenuria wrote:
This thread is about how YOU can make YOUR computer safer.

How about these fairly trivial rules:
- keep your OS patched to whatever the latest security patches might be
- don't turn off your firewall, and preferably don't even connect directly to the internet but via a router or such
- get a halfway decent antivirus (plenty free ones are decent enough) and let it update often
- disable remote access services and programs until the exact moment they're actually needed
- don't browse questionable sites and especially don't click on crap in them
- don't install stuff you are not reasonably sure it's legit
- don't use junk passwords and don't give them to anybody else, use a different account name and different long passwords for everything important you log into (you can keep a junk password for crap you don't really care about though)
- don't disclose any personal info unless you really, really have to
... to stop, oh, 99.99+% of all remote-access security-related issues.

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dexington
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#34 - 2012-08-02 07:03:34 UTC
Install truecrypt and use the option for full hard disk encryption and hidden OS, this way you know that even if you computer is physically removed your data is secure.

Pick and standard strength password for the public OS, and a very strong password for the hidden OS. This gives you the option of plausible deniability, if you are forced to disclose you password by law enforcement agencies.

Use you public OS for all normal activities, gaming, browsing, downloads, etc. And use you hidden OS for activities the require extra security, like home banking etc.

Even if you take security seriously, use strong password, update your system, have firewall and anti virus software running, and generally don't do stupid stuff, some family member or friend may use your system and accidentally get you hacked.

Having a hidden OS that no one but you yourself can use, makes sure that no one by accident installs some software that breach your security.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
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